Season 4 Ideas: Qualifying Pools

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Ok, based on some of the ideas we talked about at the planning meeting and our experience with pools at the throwdown, I'd like to propose an alternate qualifying system for the 2007 Super Smash / Double Dash Championship Season, based on set qualifying pools instead of randomized qualifying heats. Read on to find out what I've got in mind.

First, for Smash qualifiers, all players would be assigned to a 4-player pool as they registered. Our software will distribute players to pools based on their player rating (essentially a win percentage) and clan affiliation, to avoid having any of the top players or clan mates in the same pool. Each pool will do a 1v1 round robin (so 3 matches per player) and then 1 4-player free for all. We'll record your wins and your stock remaining on a score sheet, which will be turned back in after the pool is complete. We'll then award points based on the score sheet, something like:

1v1 Win: 100
1v1 Loss: 20
1v1 stock bonus: 20 per stock remaining at end of match (over 1)

FFA Win: 100
FFA 2nd place: 60
FFA 3rd place: 30
FFA 4th place: 10

FFA stock bonus: 40 per stock remaining at end of match (over 1)
FFA place ties broken by damage given

Now, each player would only get 1 qualifying pool consisting of 3 1v1 matches and 1 FFA match, but strong players can be reasonably assured that they won't have any other strong veterans in their pool. Strong rookies without ratings will always be a threat, however. Having all your matches at once means a lot more downtime after your pool while you wait for all the other pools to finish. It's possible that we could do more than 1 pool if time allows, but I'm not yet sure. However, we would not take only 2 players from each pool, etc... we would take the top 32 players based on total score on to elimination, so it's possible that some pools may send more than 2 on and some may send less.

What do you guys think about this approach? It allows for rolling assignments instead of our round-based approach and would result in less down time per station, meaning more play time for everyone. It would also allow us to start a little earlier and keep adding players after the first set of pools is already seated.

For Smash teams, it would likely be very similar, only with pools of 4 teams and no FFA.

For Single Player Kart, we would still use pools with Rating Seeding and Clan Avoidance, but the pools would be 8-player pools playing a LAN match on two TVs, doing 3 or maybe even 4 races with the same 8 players. Team kart might remain with the random heat style, I'm not sure yet.

The biggest advantage of this system is less time spent calling out names, finding missing players, getting up and sitting down, etc, and no need for all stations to wait for all matches to end before beginning another match. It could make a significant improvement to our throughput during a long tournament, but it's not without its downsides; the major ones being more uninterrupted downtime for each person and the possibility of a fierce rookie in your pool.

Just for clarification, all SSB matches during the championship season will have items on med and on random stages, with the same stuff banned as last season.

OK, let's hear it, what do you guys think?

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omg thats genius!

just one question (for now)......how many stock do you start off with in the 1v1 qualification rounds

oh and i know someone will say this so ill just say it now

"The good smash players would still get the most points because they get bonus points for not losing a stock"

......that is assuming i interpreted the stock bonus thing right
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I'm thinking 3-stock, 5-minute matches would be fair and not too slow, but I still like 2-stock as an option if matches run too long. We'll get some good experience with pools at the June 5-hour throwdown and I'll be able to better set limits to keep things moving.

You are right about the stock bonus, that's exactly the idea. 3-stocking (or 2-stocking) someone should be worth more than just edging 'em out.


yay, i like this idea, but are you sure that you can do 8 player mario kart with just 2 tvs, i thought it maxed out at 2 players per station, but i may be wrong

as for the pools, there may be a disadvantage here, because the people in the pool that dont play first will have many oppurtunities to look into their opponents strategies because they would be watching them play, which could potentially create an unfair disadvantage to whoever goes first in each pool, so i suggest we do the FFA match first, then go to the 1v1's


I like these ideas. There are stilll some negatives especially for melee where it takes the skill of being able to be able to play 4 player and 1 v 1 matches and i think the stock bonus would not be a good idea because it allows someone to potentially not make the top 32 because they couldn't get bonuses because they played better players. Also however many pools you have lets say 16 you assign 2 too a station and they alternate so one plays while the others figure out who is going to play who next.


I like it, and it avoids all of the issues randomness causes.

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that's perfect. PRAISE THE GOSPEL OF ELI.

or i'll cut you


lol, the minute I leave the smash rules are changed so that I might actually have fun :(


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A bit off topic, but is there any way we could play StepMania at the library instead of plain ol' DDR?


wonderifical


lol i can just be late on purpose then so that ill have not so good ppl in my pool since all the good players always show up early
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Nice Swordmaster, now Cisco and Lain will show up late :P


Swordsmasters makes a strong point with me and my brother we showed up late and got in a late persons pool which were rather weaker mine had 3 new people to the aadl gt. I wouldn't say though that if someone comes late and you can give them an oppurtunity to play that you should take it away from them. Also after the rankings get going a good player shouldn't be worried about that.
Rankings wise could they be based off last season until the first and second round cause for the first round u would want rankings and the second tourtament would only be based off one tourtament so you wouldn't have that accurate of a perception of their skills for rankings.


i agree with bad driver about having a seeding for round 1. I say its a good idea to use last season final rankings although you can also use the preseason if enough ppl go, actually i dont know what the preseasons like since ive never been to one so you can scratch that if its a bad idea

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But if you use last season's rankings, the newcomers will be placed with Cisco and they will be sent home with their dreams crushed :P


no, the newcomers would be placed with me, cause i have the highest overall ranking

but i think the first one should be based on preseason, but if you didnt go to preseason then you can use last year's. either way, this is going to present a problem for a while


Fjw the rankings are based on a break down of melee and kart seperatley and grands most likely wont be included. So cisco would probally have the top ranking in melee. You in all honesty wouldn't have the best one since you did not fare well in melee over the regular season but you have been improving and switched characters right?


I would be tops in kart rankings


i know, dude, i suck at smash,

but eli said overall rankings, so unless he starts seperating smash and mario kart, then i'll be first


when's the next tournament thingy... i'm dying here


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Can you spell Limabean?


As far as i know from the planning meeting it would be divided up by kart and smash.


Does it matter?


gosh i'm a sexy man beast


No.

Not really, no.

Not at all.
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lain is quite full of himself....


He's allowed to for being the second best melee player :P


plus i really AM a sexified man beast, what with my vibrant blue hair muscly (0 muscle) body, and indie hawt looks.

ALL the ladies be up ons me. yeah, i know. you don't know have to kill yourself when you compare yourself to me. plastic surgery is now a viable option.

; ]


no i think omega is better but maybe im wrong


you're wrong :P

Lain placed higher at Michigan Unite


omega wasnt at michigan unite >.>
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What i meant to say was that Lain placed higher at Michigan Unite than the n00bs there

My post had no reference to Omega being at MU


plus i could beat Omega.

puahahah.


and i could beat Lain

puahahah


you no count. you no live in the glove.


Dang.

MICHIGAN'D.
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Mitten...it's called a mitten...


fine lain

On the total midwest rankings, i am higher than you :P


is there some total midwest rankings?

btw i'd beat you at it. ; D heart


no way...

remember how i trashed you last time? Do i have to remind you? xD


Hello all. I, Mike, am back from a very long apathetic streak towards this forum. I have read Eli's post about new rules and I would like to give input of my opinion. I'll try to keep this short.
This post regards to the "Remaining Stock Bonus." I do not believe this is a rather good idea. I believe that if there is a point bonus for staying alive, there will be much more camping. I don't know about how some of the expert players play, but I play more on the forward strategy. Besides, camping is much easier to do with a FFA match. There is little chance of camping on a 1v1 match. Therefore I think the 40 points should be given to the 1v1 match. For the FFA, I think it should get no bonus or the 20 point bonus.
I hope you all take this opinion into consideration, and please note that I wasn't at the planning meeting, so if this was already mentioned, the apologies are mine. That is all for now.

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E.B.D. there is no stock bonus for FFA only for 1 v 1 matches as well as you might only have on FFA match each tourtamen unless Eli does one pool than the top people move to another pool than one on one elimniation.


so...

who wants to lose money to me at smash at open play during the ddr tournament? ; )


So how much "all ages" smash will be occurring this season?


Spartans! Ready your breakfast and eat hearty, for tonight we dine in Hell!


300 = overrated.
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No, it's not overrated, it's just very funny to satire. Futaba Channel has done it's best to start this whole joke about the "Dine in Hell" thing. Don't ask what Futaba is...You don't want to know.

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300 = better then life itself


by the way, EVERYONE BETTER GET THEIR BUTT OVER TO MICHIGAN UNITE 2


i cant....track practice @ 5 on saturday :(

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On April 11, it's Nate's birthday. (Nate was a clan member of The Reds back when he participated in the AADLGT.) My friends and I had already pre-planned to buy him a DS and present it to him on his birthday.
Anyways, I JUST found out that the DS Fest is on that very same day. So, I'm going to change his birthday plans after class ends (I have no 1st period.) He wants Starfox Command, so expect a new competitor in that game.

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Random thought:

Black PSP or white PSP?

quod erat demonstrandum


forget both and get a black DS lite


negro


ditch both and get an N-GAGE!!!!


yeah and cut your wrists while you're at it lawlztacophone


Too late, I already got a black one....and I have a DS already...
quod erat demonstrandum


I feel like joking around and getting him a pink DS. Besides, the only good thing about the PSP is internet capabilities and Metal Gear: Portable Ops. Everything else about it pretty much sucks. Dude, you even have to re-buy DVDs to watch them.

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FjW 4.0 Pre-Alpha 1 Released???

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One word:

ISO

Not that I'm condoning that or downloading them or anything.....

quod erat demonstrandum


Quod erat demonstrandum: A reference to the incredible 1970's show for British telly, entitled, "Yes, Minister"??? Or simply a statement on the present condition of the world?


No reference, just QED...wiki it...

quod erat demonstrandum


QED really doesn't fit there....
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Actually I think the stock bonus is not a particularly flawed idea.

Ask Lain about the way the good players at Michigan Unite 1/2 played, they were NOT camping (unless they were playing Peach) and the only time the game gets slowed down is during phase changes on Pokemon Stadium.

I'm ridiculously aggresive, actually, and I tend to 3/4 stock bad players anyway (mainly 4), so really, how many stock you beat him by is more dependent on the opponent rather than you.

Eitherway I think we should just try it out and if people really don't like it then get rid of it.

I'm still begging to get PokeFloats and Rainbow Cruise unbanned, by the way.

It's how I beat good Falcon/Falco/Marth. (Well, PokeFloats against Falcon, and Cruise against Falco/Marth)


I'm fairly confident Lain would beat Omega, by the way.

I'm also fairly unsure as to what would happen Lain vs Mdidget, but I do know Lain kinda sucks at Peach dittos so I think MDidget would win.

DON'T MONEYMATCH LAIN MONEYMATCH ME.

If you're going to throw away your money, at least throw it away to the better player eh?


lolz
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wowza, i got some praise


YEA its a great idea


haha cisco you like you need either of those stages. no one here can possibly grasp what a good falcon player is. nor marths for that fact. and that's a sad but gripping fact.


after doing some carefull playing of the mario kart doubledash i have stumbeled on a couple of good short cuts which can be takken using a singel boost, and with any heavy medium or light kart!!!


i got ness