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Player Podcast: The Savages on Balance

by eli

Here's a provocative podcast, produced by longtime tournament regulars [gtplayer:143] (Level 43) and his brother [gtplayer:146] (Level 41), called the AADL-GT Forum. In this episode, they talk about balance, make some excellent suggestions, and air some well-reasoned gripes. Check it out! Don't forget, if you want to produce your own podcast to be published here, or come in and use our podcast studio, just let me know at eli at aadl.org.

Enjoy!

Comments

Submitted by eli Staff on Tue, 09/04/2007 - 2:07am

Just to address a few things you guys brought up:

First, team attack was not a fair change for the day of the tournament as they mention, and after researching it a bit, we will go back to having friendly fire be OFF for the next tournament. If some players choose to take unfair advantage of single-character team ups, that's their choice, but the idea of teams is to do a 2 on 2 battle, not 2 simultaneous 1 on 1 battles, so friendly fire will remain off.

Also, as you guys know, we did what we had to do to stay something close to schedule in Round 1, but we want to have true double elimination for the team events. We will start much closer to Noon at Round 2, so get there early to be sure to get a good pool.

Now, on the balance issue, I think this is a very valid concern, and I have an idea that may settle the issue. First, I'm not concerned at all about [gtplayer:483]'s relatively kart-free presence at the top of the leaderboard; as BD points out during the podcast, #1 Cisco took first in both smash events, while #2 [gtplayer:736] took first in kart singles and second in kart teams. If John had taken first in both kart events, he'd be on the top of the leaderboard right now. So that's not really a concern. However, it is true that more points are awarded in smash than in kart.

This wouldn't be too big a deal if it was a small difference, but Round 1 Smash Singles awarded a total of 28762 points to 63 players, for an average of 456.5 points per player, while Round 1 Kart Singles awarded 13730 points to 43 players, or an average of 319.3 points per player. That's a big discrepancy and it will only add up over the season.

Most of the gap comes from the pools as we did them at Round 1. A Smash pool awarded a total of 1360 points, while a kart pool only awarded a total of 800 points. However, we can fix this pretty easily by changing a 1v1 smash pool loss to be 10 points instead of 60 and dropping the 2nd FFA as the Savages suggest for time. That would bring a smash pool down to 860 points, still a little more than kart, but much more balanced. The drawback here is that it makes the 1 FFA a little more important, but given that we always take the top 32 on to elimination, it's highly unlikely that someone who does well in the round robin will fail to move on because of losing the FFA.

Alternately, we could leave smash scoring as is, but take the kart scoring back to kart-style 100-80-60-50 places for 1st-4th instead of the smash-style 100-60-30-10 we did at Round 1. If we still ditch the 2nd FFA, this approach would have 1160 points awarded for both kart and smash pools. The drawback here is that it makes a kart loss much less damaging, but given the different dynamics of 4-player kart, that may not be such a bad thing.

Which of these two solutions do you guys think is the best way to proceed? Also, what's the thought on 8-player / 2 cube kart? Acceptable, or to be avoided? I think we should stick with 4-player kart qualifying pools, but I'd like to ensure 8-player / 4 cube for all elims.

What do you guys think?

whaat friendly fire was on the day i couldnt come ugh, i bet the hibbs brothers had a hard time :-D (thats if they teamed up) or any other team with a marth player i suppose

anyway i suggest keep pools...........actually all that eli said is fine, dropping the 2nd ffa is actually the best thing i want

havent listened to the podcast yet since ive got to get ready for school :(
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err well eli, with team attack being ON, that actually doesn't make it like there's two 1v1's going on. there's a lot more focus on team work with it on. think about it, if i choose falco and choose to just spam lasers across fd or something, then i'm not really thinking about what cisco is doing, because i don't have to. i have no fear of hitting him. it's really the same for anyone. with marth, i'll just fsmash everywhere without even thinking about where or what cisco is doing. it WOULDN"T MATTER.

now for instance let's say team attack is on, suddenly laser spamming is no longer a (gay) option, and i go fox. i have to think about what cisco is doing at all times and try to help his combos, keep the second person off of him, and help him recover when he needs it.

there's a LOT more teamwork involved with FF on.

I agree, friendly fire should always be on, BUT, if they are on, then we should totally stick with only neutral stages, these are relatively small with even terrain, and as Lain said, puts an emphasis on team work rather then trying to separate the match into 2 1v1's.

So, does anyone on here have Halo 3 yet?

I don't, I don't even have a 360, but I'm curious to see if anyone went out last night and/or skipped school to get/play it...
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yup i gots it im not at school today and im playing it right now!!!!!!!

im doing the same thing for brawl (no school for the first 3 days it comes out)!!!!!!!!

im drinking my gamefuel as i will when brawl come out!!!!

and i might say that halo 3 is awsome!!!!!!!!!!!

i got it at 2:00 in da morning!!!!
im gonna beat it soon i hope !!!!!!!!

multi player is off the chain!!!!

kk break over im going back to my halo 3!!!!!

Submitted by eli Staff on Tue, 09/25/2007 - 2:13pm

HOLY SNORK what a great thread. Sorry I've been away so long, guys, but it's interesting how far this page has come. We keep coming back to the same arguments. Remember, arguments aren't inherently a bad thing, but I do prefer that they be civil, and I think we drifted away from that a little bit.

The short answer is: everybody is right. These tournaments are both for competition and for fun. The core reason that we're doing these events (as you might know if you could sit through my whole talk posted upthread) is because Libraries are in the business of meeting the content needs of our communities, and videogames are content too. The best way to offer this content to the audience that wants it (you guys) is through tournaments. If we just checked out games we wouldn't be having this argument, would we? Tournaments are the most exciting and compelling way to provide game content to gamers, and it helps us build these participatory networks with the library at the center, where you can get all these gamers together online so they can have flameouts and insult each other's momma on the library website. Great, huh?

These tournaments are not to determine who is the best hands down, and they're not just to have fun playing games. It's about both. Games are more fun when there's something at stake, but they're less fun when you have no chance at winning that something. Finding that balance is our greatest challenge, but thanks to your well-reasoned and continued feedback, I think we've done a very good job in straddling that line as I said way back up there at the top of the page.

The bottom line is that I want everyone to have a good time. We all know that these events are exciting and intense, and most people enjoy that. However, some people (*cough*OMEGA*cough*=) have a hard time having a good time when they lose. That's OK. Competition is a central component of our culture and being driven to succeed is always a good thing. However, as EBD rightfully pointed out, many players come just to have fun, play games, eat pizza, and have a shot-- even a remote one-- at a prize. The casual players are just as welcome at our tournament as the more dominant players, and frankly, I'd like to see a higher level of class from top players in helping to beckon the earnest noobs in, where they will be just as surely decimated regardless of whether or not you told them that they had no chance. Nothing says class like a master giving a noob a friendly tip or two to help them be a little less newbish next time. We were all noobs once.

That said, mind games are a big part of most serious competitions, and I expect a certain amount of that here. However, breaking out weapons-grade trash talk against someone who everyone knows has no real chance is overkill; that's called showing your hand, and to mix my metaphors a bit, never play an ace when a two will do. On the flip side, remember that when you are a target of said mind games, getting drawn into it is yielding control of the relationship to the attacker. Don't swing at a pitch in the dirt.

I want these to be fair competitions, and our challenge is that fair is a very subjective term. Some players think that a fair tournament means that the rules will protect them from ever losing a match to a less skilled player's lucky break. Some players think that a fair tournament involves equal chance at lucky breaks that might lead to an upset. Upsets are good for everyone except for the player who got upset, and as I've said before, our GT season ruleset strives to offer a balance between hope and dominance; although you may notice that the presence of hope does not seem to be making much of a dent in the dominance, especially in Smash. An upset every once in a while, even when a prize is on the line, will not kill you, and you know what they say about things that don't kill you.

Part of the reason for this continued Smash dominance, however, is that a Smash Master is much more untouchable than a Kart Master. It is easier for a Smash Master to control a match than a Kart Master to control a match. That is not to say that it is easier to be a Smash Master than a Kart Master; it's quite the reverse. It takes much more practice and study to become adept at Smash than Kart, but once you've reached a state of mastery relative to your opponents, the Smash Master is simply more assured of victory than the Kart Master. Note that I refuse to even acknowledge the suggestion that Mario Kart be played without items. That proves nothing other than one's willingness to suck the joy out of their lives. =)

One way to look at it is that this disparity is where the GT balance actually happens. Smash tips the balance towards skill; Kart tips it back towards luck. Then we have the standalone events every once in a while (like this friday's regulation-style tournament) to settle some scores. If I was going to make one (more) change to the GT ruleset, I would increase the item frequency a notch since we've already turned off the really egregious items. But that's just me.

So, to sum up, Competition is Good. Having Fun is Good. Respecting All Players is Good. I think there's room for all three at our events, and I'd like to see more of all of the above.

Any questions? Stay tuned for a post and a fresh thread in which to yell at each other.

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when i finished reading it i forgot what the first part was...

but over all kool

now back to halo 3!!!

"The short answer is: everybody is right"

Sounding very political Eli.

So i would really like to see Melee head in a more balanced dircetion, but regardless i love these tourtaments so i'm not going to complain too much. Eli I have a cross country meet again and i hopefully can make it at 12, but can i be put in a later pool if im not there?

Haha, pwned.

GameFuel isn't even that good... It's just LiveWire mixed with Code Red.
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if everyone will look bak to my earlier post they will see that i also said "everyone is right"

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Submitted by beanstalk720 on Fri, 09/28/2007 - 3:26pm

to get pwned by the pwned

holder of the 12000th post and also the STD post and holder of the record for most lemons stuffed into a single chicken and holder of most superscope glitches performed in aadl matches, 3 to be exact and probably more next time

No team Attack just makes it more of an advanced style of play and you still have to keep the second person off you at all times with team attack off.

Also lots of my points on this podcast i didn't really think through cause i was put on the spot so i believe i said this but defiently 8 player 4 cube elimniations

Sorry bout my mic it was really bad and i also had to deal with feed back

I also find it funny that 3 people made posts before 6 in the morning

Submitted by lain on Tue, 09/04/2007 - 8:01pm

if you guys never want a chance at winning then be my guest. the top players in smash will always win with team attack on or off. it doesn't really matter, but the higher leveled players really are able to take more advantage of the team attack off then noobs.

also, i guarantee you that a four stock match between me and cisco goes as fast if not faster then a 3 stock match between noobs.

I'd also like to mention that I've played very, very few times outside of the Library itself since last season... Honestly, I bet there are more than a few of you that play Smash more than I do nowadays. I pretty much stopped playing it for the most part..

As for the balance issue I think that you should keep Pools, get rid of one FFA, and replace a round of eliminations with FFAs top 2 move on, seeded. I haven't actually thought of it carefully but it seems like a fair compromise that saves some time.

yea and i beat ur falco in suddendeath lol jk

as for turni layoutt eather sollution sounds good as far as points go but i would like to keep the second free for all match in the pools

Submitted by TurtlePerson2 (not verified) on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 12:06am

Lain has made some interesting points, but I don't think that they're quite accurate. First of all I've won the Smash teams event a couple times in season 2, so it hasn't always been dominated by pros. Secondly, spamming fire with falco or fox while letting your opponent get torn to bits into a strategy I've ever seen employed in 2v2 smash. In fact I've never lost to a team that had 1 player take on 2 players while the other used range as there primary strategy. Finally, forward smashing, while a little overpowered in 2v2 with sword characters isn't unstoppable. I play Marth so I know that if someone does that, they're inviting a counter.

The truth about 2v2 and ffa is that with 4 players on the screen, little tricks become less important than situational awareness. If you miss that one of your opponents threw down a motion sensing mine and you don't see it until you hit it, you've hurt yourself a lot. That sort of thing doesn't happen in 2 player games because you're constantly watching your opponent and you don't need to watch much else since we don't play many of the courses that shift significantly.

Also the semifinal and finals matches with 4 stock 8 minute clocks must have been longer or else you wouldn't have set the clocks for 8 minutes. I wasn't watching any of them, but it seems a little silly to extend the amount of time by more than 100% if you don't plan on playing longer than a normal match.

Because melee is a 2-d game it's hard to fight near your team mate with team attack on because you run the risk of hitting them. If melee was 3-d this wouldn't be as much of a problem, but the game would be too complex and no one would play it. Since you don't want to be near your partner and your opponent doesn't want to be near his partner, you're naturally going to end up fighting 2 1v1s.

To Pwnerer:
The idea of a compromise between FFA and 1v1s in the elims is a pretty good one the only question is where to put those ffas.

Limabean:
Bad Driver and I are planning on recording an episode at the library so maybe if the time works out you could meet us there. I don't know when it will be yet, I'm very busy right now.

"TORTURIS EXUVIAS EUNT"

Submitted by lain on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 6:46am

TP2, you raise fair points but they have no solid basis. Yes, you've won teams in season 2, but that was before a few people decided to get good at smash. And never lost to a team that did that sort of thing? Play me and cisco with team attack off on fd with double falco, let's see how far you get. ;D

We just raised the time just because it's always 8 minute timer. We just did it out of habit, really.

And really, yeah sure I won't doubt that there ARE some 1v1 playing in the 2v2's, but that's only a small part of it. People who actually know what they're doing half the time can utilize teams and decide to run over to help your team mate stop getting chainthrowed, do a weak attack to knock your partner back onto the stage, hold down an opponent for a split second so your opponent can get a quick strong attack in, etc.

Also, I agree with Cisco. The second free for all is a bit tacked on.

nah second ffa is always good for the people who dont win 1v1's! is if was not there then smash would be stacked for 1 clan and the best people would never lose!

this gives me and others a chance to beat you!

yea, and tp2 i should be able to make it whenever it is, i usually dont make plans more than a day in advance so i cant come if u tell me a couple days ahead

ejk, at round one u said that u would figure out how to change my points to this account but u change the name to DELETE limabean so for round 2 should i preregister on this account or wait til i get there

I meant that after the round of pools you eliminate all but 32 players, then make all 32 players do a round of FFAs, top 2 moving on, with the FFAs being seeded by pool performance, and then you're left with 16 players, which, with 8 tvs, maximizes the efficiency of players per TV for 1v1. With 1v1 you had to do two rounds of matches to get to top 16 since there were only 8 tvs, now you only need to do one, and the people who got 1st in their FFAs can play the people who got 2nd. So we all get two FFAs like before, except now one of them is an elimination round, so those who aren't amazing at 1v1 who make it out of pools still have a hope of making it to top8. As for top 3, i.e. money, that's a little rough to balance. The ability gap in the group of players is so large that there's not much that can be done...

For example, a good many of the teams at the aadl, especially with Team attack on, but even with it off, would have a pretty hard time taking me 2 on 1.

We should probably have a few example team matches to show you guys what exactly we're talking about when we say that team attack is a big part of the game, but I don't think at this level (that is, the level at which most players at the AADL play at) it makes too much of a difference, so it makes no difference to me. It's also a scary concept to a lot of bad players so I can see why you guys would want to keep it off.

Pwner makes some good points and i agree with the format for single melee. I think it is a fair balance and adds randomness.
You also might be able to increase it to 3 stock 4 minute or 3 stock 5 minute

omega- ok what i think is that we should keep the team attack off. This is because their are very few people who know how to play correctly with it on and all the noob stratageys can be overcame easily. Also nobody except team silence can do double falco(and we don't usually) so i don't think thats really a problem. Please only have one ffa next time and the balance between kart and smash does need to be even. Lain i get what you saying in teams but if we have team attack off you guys will run over almost everyone easily and in the past their have never been any undeafetable advanced team strategys so we really don't have to worry about that.

Submitted by CPMaster on Thu, 09/06/2007 - 10:04pm

HEY PEOPLE!!!!!! Im Charles. Ok enough about me, i need to tell eli if our tournament (pokemon battle revolution)can keep the scores on aadl gt to. ok? reply A.S.A.P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carles (nickname)

Hello Charles. We are hoping to start using the scoring system to run Pokemon and DDR tournaments in time for the next Pokémon tournament. Stay tuned!

Also, stop calling us! =)

Submitted by CPMaster on Fri, 09/07/2007 - 4:40pm

wow. Eli dont bring that up again ok. next time e-mail me instead of puting it where people can see in.

eli will there be any pokemon restrictions and will it be 3v3 or 6v6. Either way my team is unbeatable so everyone else should be aimming for second.

Submitted by CPMaster on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 10:28am

OH YA TRY ME U CAN TELL EJK MY BRO WON THE WHOLE TOURNAMENT ONE WEEK!!!!!!!!!! AND I DID TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TRY ME ULL LOSE!!!!!!!!

Wow, dude. I don't know who you are, but you need to chill. It's just Pokemon.
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Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 5:50pm

anoyed at you!

ok my drums got banned that 1 year !!!!!!!

i motion to have a depate to ban this charles person from the blogs/turni!!!!

omega-wanna have a mm. I'm telling you, no matter how good you THINK you are theirs no possible way you know as much as me. Your just a wanna be. Charles i don't even know you but seriously your messing with the wrong guy. My team isn't fully complete but as soon as i hind my emerald there'll be nothin left to say.

Submitted by CPMaster on Sat, 09/08/2007 - 6:14pm

you losers. ur wanna beeeeeeeeeeees. u wish u could meat me. Im unstobale. just admit it. im better ok. if u wanna peice of me wait the tournaments. gosh u push overs are hard headed. shin omega is crazy and so is that other person.

I don't know whether it's the awful spelling and grammar or the fact that this is a fight about pokemon, but either way this is one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen on this forum.

"TORTURIS EXUVIAS EUNT"

I think it's a combination of both, really. I definitely think the all caps reply added some serious humor, too.
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Triple post = 3x unnecessary
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Submitted by CPMaster on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 6:22pm

huh?

Submitted by CPMaster on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 6:22pm

huh?

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Sun, 09/09/2007 - 7:51pm

kk i say charles is gone!

who is with me?

omega-laaaaaaaiiiiiiinnnn. YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOO.....DUUMB. LOL. CHARLES LAIN IS A BOY WITH BLUE HAIR. Man you had me rolling for a min. there lain. Unless of corse your both gay. :(

Wow, I didn't read this thing for a few days (*sigh* the joys of my Junior year of high school), and I come back, and there is this random guy, "charlespokemonmaster" claiming to be the best at Pokémon, and there are the Roysters fighting with him.

Pokémon is sweet, but c'mon guys, this was got to be the most pointless thing I have ever witnessed on the AADL-GT Blog, this is even more pointless than whatever Monkeyman says, I'm serious.

and Lain, let's keep your sexual preferences out of this blog, and on an online dating site, (I've heard E-harmony does wonders for people with fake blue hair).

Either way, good luck at the Pokémon tourney guys! My bet is that some random nine year old comes in with all Max DV, and EV Pokémon (if you know what those mean, I would say that my thought of you as a Pokémon trainer just rose quite a bit) that haven't been Gamesharked, which reminds me, Eli, do you check for Gamesharked Pokémon? Obviously, no one is going to come in with Pokémon that are unobtainable at this point, or with stats that are out of the normal possible range, but do you check for people that hack the DV's of their Pokémon to achieve best overall performance. You would have to do a hidden power test to check this, no one in the world should have more than one Pokémon that has max DV's and max EV's.

Just pointing that out.

omega- well just about all of my pokemon have good natures max dvs(in two stats) and have been perfectly ev trainned (using all 510). I just gotta hind my emerald so i can migrate them. Its pretty easy to do it but it can be time comsuming if your unlucky in breading ivs. I need to test my skill on some worthy apponents so someone come with iv and ev trainned pokemon or im gonna go through this like a brease.

p.s- fjw they call them ivs now not dvs. Also have you trainned a perfect team yet.

DV's are exactly the same as IV's, I'm sorry, I stopped playing with Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald, so if they changed the name I wouldn't know about it.

The last time I spent time to train a perfect team (meaning max EV's and DV's [IV's] as high as I could find, as I said, it's almost impossible to find a Pokémon with perfect IV's) was Silver version.

Yeah, I'm outdated.

charlespokemonexpert (I always thought it was charlespokémonmaster, I don't know what a Pokémon expert is, but I was too lazy to read your whole name, either way, sorry about that), that was seriously not library blog appropriate language, Eli is most definitely going to "snork" that.

Another way to check for max stats is to just use one of those max stat charts, but who wants to use that when you can do the hidden power check? ;-)

Charles, you'll be lucky if all Eli does is delete your post.

Also, nobody else used the second word that you said (which I am above repeating), so you shouldn't either.
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Submitted by matthewgk on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 4:15pm

I'm pretty sure that 192.168.0.3:8767 is a Local Area Network IP address...it means that only people on <em>your</em> network can connect to it and people from "the internets" will just connect to their own router.
I could be wrong about this, but I'm almost certain this is correct.

This blog has turned from smash-bashing to laugh-out-loud sitcom-style comedy.

Submitted by CPMaster on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 6:14pm

Ya i say johninabow (stupid name) and that other idiot shoud be quiet and leave me alone!!!!!!!! agree?

omega- ummm charles i didn't say anythin inappropriate so don't bring me into that situation with you. Also you have no right to be bosting about anything because you haven't earned you right to speak of such. First you must earn your respect to be talking as loud as you are. I for one see you as a nobody not saying that you are. Im not looking down at you but you need to chill a little. It's just pokemon, so we can play in november and then everyone will see. you cool with that.....

p.s- don't get mad over games. It's just some good competition

Submitted by CPMaster on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 8:49pm

omega why wont you just shut up, and leave me alone huh? is it too mucjh to ask for some peice??? I told u " IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO ME GO ON TEAMSPEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so omega dont talk to me or ill report you for being annoying. so u chill. i can't belive u have friends.

Charles

omega- clan US i think we need to smash a certain insect. Show him who the bosses are around here. Eli of course is the president. What do you think guys. Also to everyone next week im getting a wii and 4 for games for $100 bucks. And charles why do i need to speak to you somewhere else when i can just post comments.

P.s- wii da best :)

lol u nooblet

it is JOHNINABOX not johninabow.

and i dont think you can sleep in a fridges cardboard box for 2 years!!!!!!!!

yea thats right i slept in a cardboard box for 2 years wut you gonna do about it!!

thats straight up ballin and hardcore G. so when you can sleep in a fridge box for 2 years and not complain about it then you can make fun of my name!

but for now pokemon hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaahhahhahahahahahahahhahaha! nooooooooooooooooooooobzoooooooooooooooooooor

Yeah, umm, johninabox has been here since the very beginning, and omega has been here since at least last year, so I think out of all three of them, you're the most n00bish of all of them.

Also, you can't "report" anyone for anything, this blog is ruled by Eli, and what he decides will go. Also also, if you want some <strong><em>PEACE</em></strong> (Spell check is your friend, children), then maybe you should start by not making inflammatory statements.

And finally, it's just Pokemon, dude. Chill out. Seriously.

That is all.

P.S.: Lain's blue hair is soooo hott!!! OMG!
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omega- charles i think it would be smart if you didn't try to make enemies and tryed to make friends instead. these tournaments are soppose to be fun not some meat up for strick enemies and rivals. thats why i had to give up my grudge for fjw. I relized that it was just a game and there is no sense in making enemies for no reason. I this situation im just going to be the bigger man and call a truse. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.....

NOBODY IS HIGHER THEN USSSSSSSSSS CAUSE WII DA' BEST : )

Submitted by CPMaster on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 9:55pm

Major Tom Coveney I think u should shut up. and mind your own bussiness. i dont care how i spell nooblet. So, i dont care if i get reprted. your just a kid. if u were to fight me ill beat u up. Later Loser.

Submitted by CPMaster on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 9:57pm

Whatever. Hey omega and shin let be friends insted of enemies? if thats what your tying to say then sure.

Submitted by tomcove6888 on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 10:49pm

LOL
OMG
ROFL
LMAO

Seriously, dude, second to the library staff, I'm the oldest one here. So, <strong>don't</strong> call me kid. Second of all, I'm not a fighting person, so your challenge is worthless to me. All I'm asking you to do is to chill out and quit bashing everybody else. None of us have seen you at a tournament yet, so we don't know how good you are. If you're the best in the world at pokemans, whoop-dee-doo for you. Just stop provoking people, actually try and get along with them, and you'll fit in just fine here.
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Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 6:56am

OMG NOOOOOOBLLLLLLEEEEETTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i dont think he knows what he is getting into!

its all good let him have his dreams...

i bet he is really good at pokemon.....i suck at pokemon....

but ill pwn him in kart and SMASH, ME ILL PWN SOME 1 IN SMASH! that hasnt happened in a long time!

Submitted by tomcove6888 on Tue, 09/11/2007 - 10:30am

Reading this blog has become the joy of my day. It's like free entertainment. I say to myself "heck with video games, I'll go read the AADL-GT blog!"

Also, I'm getting ready to send Eli an outline for the podcast. When are people free? Do people have time on the weekends to maybe come in and record a podcast?
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Is it just me, or does one's level of "noob-ness" inversely relate to their mastery of the English language (i.e. Spelling, grammar, and word selection)

According to that postulate, charlespokemonexpert's level of noob-ness is quite high at this moment, and will remain this high until he decides to take a 3rd grade English class.

<strong>GO READ A BOOK</strong> (We Only Come for Books! =P)! <em>Learn how to type correctly!</em>

Hey Tom, I don't have very much free time at all, I doubt I will be able to attend all the tournaments this year, but for the ones I do attend, is it possible to do a recording then? I can get there earlier than the scheduled start time if need be.

omega- umm can everyone write who they think are the top ten gamers at the aadl gt so i can no how i stand i everyones opinion. Heres my list

1. orochimaru (really good at kart and smash)
2. johninabox. (really good in kart touneys which are harder then smash.
3. myself. (really good at smash and ok at kart)
4. Pwnerer. (wins most smash touneys but just sucks in kart
5. fjw ( ok in smash and good in kart
6. tp2 ( good partner and also good at kart
7. limabean ( pretty good at smash and kart
8. lain ( good at smash but just horrible at kart (4x forth place in tourney)
9. robin ( good at kart and smash)
10. ??????????

what do you guys think? Don't forget this is my opinion on who are the best GAMERS

i'm available at almost all times, with the exception of SSH (standard school hours) and 530-730, M/W

i have a few things to say about ssb and all the arguments that consistently surround it

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 6:58am

1. D-REX kart and smash
2. JOHNINABOX KART semi smash
3. pwnerer smash ONLY
4. Monkey man kart and very good team with derek
5. tp2 kart and yea smash not bad at it
6. pwnerer smash only
7. limabean kart and smash
8. SHIN AND OMEGA smash only
9. lain smash only
10. bad driver kast and semi smash

the rest srry but not enought room
8 9 10 and 11 12 13 are close to each other so i put the best that i think but it could change if they had ONE BAD MATCH thats all that is needed. i g2g for school ill add more when i get home

read a !@#$%^&)@@#$ book!

charles you cant talk bout being the bast at pokemon and beting peole up at the same time, it just doesn't work

I find it interresting when you are deciding the best gamer you base it off of two games and many on both your lists have players who are only good at one.
These tourtaments do not find the best gamer they find the people who are good at smash and good in kart.

I think podcasting before/after/during the next tourney would be a good idea seeing as I have all of those dates already booked on my calendar.

D-rex had a bad tourtament becuase kart is mostly luck so you cant consitently win. Also D-rex from my point of view is a good GAMER and i have seen him playing other games besides melee

im good at cs, ddr,wii sports,marioparty,dance mania ,halo 2 , halo 3(beta), halo 1, half life 2, original smash, original kart,madden, and pretty much any game i pik up o and stepmania

Submitted by CPMaster on Wed, 09/12/2007 - 7:02pm

Rex is so wierd. he thought his mom was a stump which he is. No offence omega. Plus im on the next podcast saturday =]

omega- charles your post does not make sense. Make sure you read over your comments before you post them so people can actaully understand you.

Yeah, nobody ever said anything about a stump. And I don't know what podcast you're talking about, but I'm 95% sure it's not this one.
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lol, like I'm going to listen to <strong>you</strong> telling me to be quiet. The only person who can tell me to be quiet and actually have me follow it is Eli. And plus, I'm worse than what? A stump? Ouch, charles. You've cut me to the core.
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SHIN: 4 all you so called GREAT KART PLAYERS (MOSTLY MAPLEWOOD BROTHERS) out there i'll play YOU guys 1 vs 1 no items best 2 out 3, 3 out of 5, you name it i just want to c actually how good you guys r alone. honestly i dont think you guys r all that great alone and i think guys rely on each other WAy to much thats all. If you think this is a waste of time i wouldnt mine doing any money matchs 2 spice things up :) DIDNT EXPECT THAT FROM A ONLY SMASH PLAYER DID YA :) AND DONT WORRY GUYS ITS JUST FRIENDLY COMPETITION K

SHIN: and please dont lecture me how to do stuff or how guys do this, or how im just a smash player cause i know these things k. i just would like a straight up answer and that goes 4 anybody else up 4 the challenge me k c u the 29th :)

what about the 28th :(

and correct me if im wrong but isnt pioneers hc at the 29th? if so hahaha
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Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 9:44am

all right first off you asked about my opinion so i gave you my opinion. if you dont like it then think befor you talk and ask for every ones opinion but mine.

and that is what i belive is da top 10 players. they might change very soon and they mey not change at all.

what youdont seem to relize is that drex and monkeyman the hibbs brothers had to face pwnerer and lain 2 times in a row (at each turni) in single elimination. and wet to sudden death both times... they lost because monkey man killed him slef both times in sudden death. as soon as they get that down (the sudden death) then they willbe able to walk away with prizes in smash.....

also i am ahead of you in da turni standings soooooooooooooo it seams i have had a better month and if some person was to look at the over all standings he or she would see that i have had alot more experiance in the turni than you have and have been to more grand championships.

but i still respect you as being one of the bet smash players ive seen. im just saying that i pwnzor you and any 1 else in kart.

and my top 10 are the peeps i feel deserve to be up there and are good enough to be up there.

Submitted by The Melancholy… on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 9:58am

Yawn... i have to say that i agree with jon's top ten except that i should number ten :p
and also to charles (not that i belong in this conversation or anything) why and what are you talking about?

I may not be #1 but I think I deserve at least top 10
omega you based your whole list on basicly one round, no one put john on any top 10 list, then he wins a few events and suddenly he's #2? no ofence to john but I am 99% sure he won't hold that top 2 on the leaderboard the whole season
how can yo put people like robin and lain on a top 10? robin isn't good at kart, and lain might as well not play kart, he gets last EVERY time

I had one bad turny, but I don't really care because my clan mates won the events anyways. watchout next round, we bout to sweep kart

and plus I OWNEd in monkeyball which matters if your talking bout overall gamer

and a 1v1 no iems match of kart would be stupid

shin: why is 1 v 1 stupid? its pure skill unless you rely on your CLAN members alot well then i can c where your coming D REX :) and i total understand:)
and JOHN YOUR ON BUT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME PRIZE FOR THE WINNER YA KNO and it doesnt have to be money k

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 2:54pm

stragety with item !!!!!!!!!!

your a nooblet!! ok $5 buy in?????

3 races random stages?

2 with no items and 1 with items!

Submitted by shin and omega on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 3:36pm

omega- dude smash is gone. US will take 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in smash all the time so smash is wrapped up really tight in a box. John just because you won in kart does not mean your the best. Also just because you have more experience then me at the aadl im about 1000x better then you and smash and in kart there will not be any constant winners. Just because you improved a little in kart don't get big headed. There can never be any best kart player in my opinion.

SHIN:$30 WHY $5 AND ARE SAYING THERE NO ABOSLUTE STRAD BEHIND ITEMS?

- LOVE THE NOOB COMMENTS AND WAT ACTUALLY MAKES A PERSON A NOOB? CAUSE I DO WAT U DO PLUS MORE :) YEAH I'LL BE THERE THE 28TH AND 29TH 4 GT AND PIONEER *HC* :)

Submitted by FRIEDjellyWALNUT on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 4:53pm

I think that beyond the Royster brothers (they really are quite good at Kart, they just need slightly better item management, and everyone obviously knows about their Smash skills), I'm the most balanced player at AADL-GT. I can get consistent wins in both Smash and kart, unlike a lot of people here.

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 4:56pm

i know im not the best so y did you put me at 2nd place?

you went by this season only and there is no way in hel that im gonna stay in the top 5 the rest of the season...

i got lucky in the turni so cleary you the noob at picking the top 10 people!!!!

and i only wanna take $5 from you thats all im going

SHIN: Wait, your talking about my brother i didnt make that top 10 chart when you see SHIN or OMEGA the one thats talking k. Also he was talking about the top ten players for this season so far. Okay then $5

OK Shin the reason we dont play money matches is because we play kart the way it was meant to be played and dont try to make it all skill becuase whats the fun in that. 1 on 1 item kart is all about waiting in last place so i will play you 1 v 1 in kart no items but im not going to put any money over it.

I dunno who this Charles is, but all I know is that he is a troll. He is most likely created by another player to yell at those who he/she doesn't like. Don't bother arguing with him, you're just feeding the troll.
Oh, and see you all on the 28th or 29th. Whichever comes first...

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jw what food was served in round 1..........pizza or jimmy johns?
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Submitted by lain on Thu, 09/13/2007 - 9:34pm

johninabox, i eliminated monkeyman and drex no problem. we never went to sudden death.

neither do cisco. where ever did you acquire that bit of fiction?

i think johns talking about when me and cisco teamed and monkeyman killed himself under great bay on sudden death
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Submitted by shin and omega on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 11:42am

Shin: Why in the world do u think derek and ryan stand a chance agaist lain and cisco? plus its gonna be easier to take them out since team attack is off. Sorry but i just dont c it happening

I'm soo glad that the talk here has turned back to trash talking.

Also, john, I was the lead voice against your drums, and even though we've become friends after that, my vote would still be for no drums. But that's just me.
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i understand for the sake of being able to hear eli i wont bring them back

also i FOR REAL FOUND A NEW GLITCH IN KART BUT I NEED TOAD AND LITTLE KOOPA OR DIDDY OR BOWSER...basicly and small person
ill show you it in the next turni WHEN KART FREE PLAY STARTS!!!!!!!!!!! ill tell you what happens ...... but i wont tell you how to do it!!!!!!

lol not me!!!!!!!!!!

limabean
drex
dale w
monkeyman
JOHNINABOX

yea thats right we have the possabilty to win in both catagories.

me not so much but if i get 2 good spots in single elimination then i can do it
derek me and ryan have always mde it to at leats stage 2 of kart and we almost always make it to 3 and 4 and win something.

srry no 1 from your clan is up there but you all suk at kart!

Submitted by shin and omega on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 5:45pm

omega- your an idiot john. If you knew your facts limabean is in our clan. Also shin made 6th in kart overall did better then limabean. Also we have Mike s. which is better then everyone in kart that you put up there. And one more thing why would you put "lol not me" and then put yourself. Look at the facts next time before you put another stupid comment up.

Submitted by CPMaster on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 6:14pm

Ya!!!! Omega is right. My podcast is tommarrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD!!!!!!!!!! at 2:00pm at downtown. Be there or be square

hahaha srry mike but your good but you not the best!

i know limabean is in yo clan i was saying not you or the main peeps who are powerhouses in smash

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 9:00pm

oh yea i was just doing the glitch and omg it is kool it is in and of the crown courses sooooooooo im gonna win !!!!!!!!!!!!!! in kart! smash ill do ok 300 points maby

nuh uh cause ill be there next time with my brother and friends who are good at smash too, so less chance of you making it further in the brackets
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Shin:I know john wat your going to do wit those dump glitches it so takes the fun out this whole thing.And now you need glitches to beat me TRUELY SAD :(

wavedashings a glitch........i think
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Submitted by shin and omega on Fri, 09/14/2007 - 10:40pm

SHIN:Theres no sercet behind wavedashing is just a combination of buttons that allow you to air dogde on the ground and you can do it with all char. not just a CERTAIN TEAM plus since you think its so okay to use that glitch then why didnt use it in 1st round of the GT it wouldnt be cheating would it? And why not explain this glitch to everybody theres no reason to hind it right?

it's not quite a glitch per se.

the physics of the game make makes a character slide along the ground (and not air dodge through the stage) and the distance is a factor of their traction in general.

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 7:31pm

hahaha lain your a nooooooob i saw that crap video on ctn wtf was that posed to b?

and y did a pikacho get thrown at you?

omega- the total im going to win for the 28th-29th is over 100 bucks.Here is how it will go. First win pokemon tourni. Next win smash tourney. Place 3rd in smash tourney. Get 1st and then 2nd in teams for smash and finally get 3rd in teams for kart. Yep, its a plan. :)

Submitted by CPMaster on Sat, 09/15/2007 - 11:52pm

Everyone who has teamspeak go to server address number 64.69.36.54:152. Its easy if u copy the address and paste. Go there A.S.A.P. Thanks!

Charles

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 1:31pm

lol yea that movie was bad

WUUUUUUUUUT!? NOOOOBLET omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omgomg omg omg omg ooommmggg it is on!

its on it's on!!!!!!!!!

bring it on!!!!!!!

ok seperate question: how many peeps at the turni dislike me or have disliked me?

im guessing around 15 peeps

Submitted by shin and omega on Sun, 09/16/2007 - 11:35pm

SHIN: u still didnt answer my question wat makes us noobs ? because JOHN your not all that special. your smash tactics are lame ( my 6yr old cousin does that same dump kirby crap) and your just averge kart player that can powerslide WOW BIG DEAL AND I GUESS U CAN CALL EVERYONE A NOOB CAUSE YOUR 2ND ON THE LEADERBOARD......... ENJOY WHILE IT LAST CAUSE U KNO WATS COMIN ****U.S.**** :)

omega-john i think your abusing the little power that you have (right know anyways). Also don't forget only the noobiest nooblets of all time place 4th in the gt 2 times in a row so i think we all know who the noob is here.

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Mon, 09/17/2007 - 6:05pm

maby i did get 2 4th places but i didnt get pwned by mr. Song!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its not my fault 4th place didnt get a big prize

no offence eli,

but if they were larger than id have alot more!

but i still have 2 4ths and not even cisco has that no one else has been in the top 4 2 times cept maby duck!

no one who is still in the turni has been in 2 top 4 final things soooooooooo i that make me that much better than you!!!!!!!!!!!

omega- don't forget this is my second season so I've only had one opprotunity. Your first year you got 4th and my first year i got 2nd so obviously im better. Plus cisco isn't balanced so i really don't think he had a chance last year. Don't forget in a competition nobody remembers 4th place. you know why. BECAUSE IT SUCKS. ALSO WHO IS MR.SONG AND I HOPE YOU HAVE FUN WITH THOSE T-SHIRTS. HAHAHAHAHA. OH AND YOUR NOT GOING TO BE IN THE TOP 4 THIS TIME SO EVEN IF ELI MAKES THE PRIZE BIGGER IT WON'T MAKE IN YOUR CASE.

hahaha fjw!

his last name is song

and your first year favored smash

i truly think that smash is way to over powering and kart does not give as much as smash does!

if we will keep smah like it is with more fights and rounds then we have to unban ALL THE STAGES AND ITEMS!

that was the way the game was ment to be played!

johninabox, who beat you and your brother in August, yea it was me, i was last seed, made it in to the elminations through a tie breaker.

No offense or anything but just needed to bring down your ego.

omega- john........NOOBLET.........JOHN......nooblet...john..noobLeT

JOHHHNNN THEEEE LEGENDARY NOOOOOBLET.. :)

Submitted by ldhibbs on Mon, 09/17/2007 - 9:21pm

lain your noob at kart, at least john can get some wins at smash
our clans isn't ment to get any points at smash, our objective is to get kart points(the harder game to win) which we did
and to respond to your comment about getting 2nd in your first, so did Jerry(as a wild card) Who? exactly!!
we didn't even have that good of a turny round 1, watch out for round 2

OMEGA-who are you, another wanna be AND I SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN FIRST. Did you get 2nd in your first year. If no, then why are you talking. Also the only reason b.o.m is so close is because of the mystery game. They actually had a good turny because of the mystery game and the LUCCKK in the kart turny. AND IF YOU THINK THAT KART IS HARDER TO PLAY THEN SMASH THEN YOU ARE NOT VERY BRIGHT.

I think that Kart is an easier game to play at the (AADL's) top level, which is why it's so much harder to be consistent at. There're too many viable players because the game is that much easier to master.

The dominance that we have only exists because we are indeed many times better than you at Smash. If Kart was a harder game overall, there'd be a more consistent set of winners at the game, just like in Smash. The fact that Smash has a much steeper learning curve allows there to be definitively better players at the game.

kart is a harder to consistently place for the better players
and please stop with the 2nd overall in your first year
the first year I got 3rd, john got 4th and tp2 got 1st, almost a sweep no way you can beat that, now what!!! that was our first year too!!!!! NOOOOB!

how were we lucky? we put together a kart clan and we won in kart, watch out, we gonna steal a smash place next time
you guys got lucky the first round, if we had won team kart we'd be beating you guys, and I SMASHED YOU IN MONKEYBALL, you guys need to LEARN that this is more than a one game turnament, you claim to be good at kart, yet you have a 35%!!!! win percentage last place on the leaderboard has 53% hahahhahahhahahahahahaa!!!!! NOOb!

Submitted by shin and omega on Mon, 09/17/2007 - 10:57pm

OMEGA-if there is no way i can beat that then why is my clan ahead of your? Didn't think about that did you. Also the first year there we less people and when i came you guys had already had one season of experience so it was harder for me. Also 3rd and 4th will always be lower then 2nd. Plus like you said everyone has a bad touney and the 4v4 format was not good so as a result i didn't do good. As for tp2 i give him his respect but for the rest of ya.... Im still looking down. Also smash is donmonate because you have to have a certain ammount of skill to be good. Ever look at my hands when i play? And d-rex don't make another post intill you get 1000 points okay. Intill then you are noob. As for now your not worthy. HAHAHAHA. gOOD NIGHT. : )

P.S-ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THEN WORDS.

yeah im pretty sure things would have worked out differently if the roysters were at season 1..........since this is an argument about whose "better" id have to give it to the roysters (not because of biasness towards smash) but they have a better argument going towards them stating how omega got 2nd place in a season where all of the individuals in this argument were present (fjw wasnt even at season 1 was he, too lazy to check) anyways yeah u cant say youre better because uve won in a time where the person youre up against wasnt even present

thats like me saying im better than lain at smash cause ive gotten 2nd place before...........oh wait, i am better :)
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Pshh cmon guys y arent i in the top 5???
im the best person in bros of maplewood at smash and around as good as them at kart.
as well as getting 3rd last season cuz omega pwned me up (yes, he is better than me ZOMG i admit it!)
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things woldn't have worked out different in season 1 w/ omega, it was all kart

thats what i'm saying is that we are better at kart and your better at smash, but we can accually play other games,we are better balanced
so you guys can go and win all those points in smash but we'll still beat you in all the clan batles and clan cup

35%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! haahahahahaha

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh get pwned us is a nooooooob clan!!!!!

yea birng it on. im sick and have a sctratched cornia at the monent and i can still beat you with one eye in kart and get alos of poins in smash!

every one in our clan got more that 40 points is smash hahahahaha lain got 4th 4th 4th 4th in kart!!!!!!!!!!!

us is a clan of noobs!

yea also this 1 is for eli!!!!!

eli, if i can get ahold of the peeps at nintendo to say to tell you to unban all the stages in smash will you?

it will be hard to do but ill try..BELIVE IT!... OMG THAT SHOW IS LAME NARUTO is lame

B.O.M. WILL WIN EVERY SINGLE CLAN BATTLE AND WILL GET THE MOST IN KART !!!!

also JOHNINABOX PWNS ALL!!!!

I GOT A NEW THING THIS YEAR AND IT IS NOT A PERCUSSION INSTRUMENT!!!!!

soo get redy to get pwned!

omega- john your really getting annoying. Your in way over your head. You won the clan battles because it was only the mystery game. Also don't forget even though you won the clan battles you are still behind in points. Now can we talk about something else because this is going know where. Lets let the leader board tell us who is getting pwned and leave it at that. Lets just wait two weeks and then we will see who is better. This is my last post intill then so yeah.... see you then everyone.

Submitted by lain on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 4:19pm

hahaha if you can get the nintendo people to tell us to unban stuff. you really are quite a loser.

also, you're saying kart is harder to place at. that is not true. cisco raises a fair point. it seems easier to place at only because we're all that much better then you.

you're basically whining that we're better then you in smash.

btw, i believe we're ahead of you all so gg

Wi-fi for Brawl was all but officially confirmed, and everybody knew that Nintendo was going to do it, because they're slowly starting to get their wits about them as far as what people want in the arena (pun intended) of online play.
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That's why I said "<strong>was</strong> all but..."

Reading FTW! :P
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yea kart is harder...more skill needed... also smash is for noobs the real fighting game is kart battle mode balloon battle!!!!!!!!!!!

go lions!

jms? whaaa?
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is there doubles on the 28th
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what is UofM biweeklies ? kart is harder than smash ? what do you mean? if you mean overall ingeneral then your lost SERIOUSLY. BUT IF U CAN PROVE ME WRONG PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO

Submitted by Hot_ArmS on Tue, 09/18/2007 - 11:02pm

uofm biweeklies is where most of michigans serious and better smash players come and play in a tourney and stuff

the videos i posted earlier is from one of the biweeklies, the next one is the 29th

so if ur looking to really see how u compare to the rest of michigan go there instead..........anther will be there i think, so will randizzle and those ppl, u might get lucky and have mikey and dope show up too
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i knocked out randy and ankoku and jman. basically half of 5th column. lawl. i got 5th, with Boyr being in 4th but i mm'ed him and won afterwards. : )

anther is still just a bit better then me. it's frustrating as hell.

btw the aadl tourney and the bi-weekly doesn't coincide with each other. i'll be seeing you there. unless what cisco said about you hopefully comes true.

ha ill go to that smash thing on the 29th ill go there not the turni and see how far i get... then ill be able to brag!

oh i almost forgot smash is eaeier to get points in than kart!

umm one more thing is it smart to have a second only smash clan?

us is smash only
B.O.M. is like kart only with little smash.
supersmashbrothers clan is another only smash clan... bad idea right? (for supersmashbrothers clan)

Submitted by Hot_ArmS on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 2:11pm

uhhh round 2 does coincide with the next biweekly, check the biweekly threads first post
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if your clan is so great why is it still behind even with the mystery game points? US members don't pay any attention to john because he's just trying to make us mad. Look at all of his last post. They all say kart is easier then smash. Also if you go to the smash touni you will get pwned out of this world.

john, you're gonna brag about getting last place? cause that will be funny.

also, huron is like... having a little smash thing this friday after 6th hour. all are welcome to get SNORKED by me.

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 4:58pm

OMG I PWN!!!!!!!!

im not going to that smash thing! ill get 99th out of 76 people

there will make me pay to play there.

also kart is harder to get points in than smash!

also i wanna know roysters how much gas for the car does it take you to get here and back from kalamazoo...

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 5:00pm

smash is eeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeer to get points in than kart! ohhhhhhh wut now nooooobs!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by lain on Wed, 09/19/2007 - 5:09pm

you're right, smash is easier to get points in.

btw swordmaster, they say it's on saturdays but there are football games on those days. so they're officially UNofficually sundays. i'll see you there, loser ; )

id show up to huron but i dont have a ride right after school :(

ill just send my teams partner (he goes to huron) to pwn you all
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Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 1:54pm

us is smash only
B.O.M. is like kart only with little smash.
supersmashbrothers clan is another only smash clan... bad idea right? (for supersmashbrothers clan)

also roysters how much gas money does it cost you to get to and from the turni just so i know...

kk im just saying gas is alot it could be like $70 needed dont worry about it...

also
us is smash only
B.O.M. is like kart only with little smash.
supersmashbrothers clan is another only smash clan... bad idea right? (for supersmashbrothers clan)

i need input on this!(it is for a new thing im doing with all the clans)

vote good idea or bad idea...(to make another smash only clan)

Submitted by The Melancholy… on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 4:57pm

Yawn... all those excuses to not show up at the huron thing. man y'all just afraid of gettin' pwn'd by me. so you might as well just come out and say it.

hahaha im looking forward to taking $5 from you soonon the 29th

also best out of 3 each pick 1 course and 3rd course will be random or if we agree on a course!!!!!!!

Submitted by shin and omega on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 4:30pm

Shin: its funny that how JOHN doesnt act this at the GT.so do us all a favor and just STOP tryin to act hard PLEASE !!!!! cause its getting lame. its not there fault that people are better than you at smash plus smash is more is more popular than kart. DUH!!!

lol forget about supersmashbrothers clan my clan will be the next best smash only clan
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Submitted by beanstalk720 on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 7:14pm

hey im good at kart mike is good at kart rosters- idont remember how good they arent bad and i got third in the kart turni, if anything we're better at kart then u guys are at smash

and jon, i still like u but other people are gettin pretty pissed off with your obnoxious and repetative posts so if u dont want people to hate u u should probably stop, soon

Submitted by EvilBusDriver on Thu, 09/20/2007 - 8:01pm

" Submitted by limabeans on Mon, 09/10/2007 - 8:42pm.

jesh team us is the usiest and the bestest"

Wise words of the 12000 post.

Also,I'm wondering if I should leave my clan. I have "new" players coming in and I might form a clan with them. 2 of them are strong Smash players but not very good Kart players. They tend to play without items. I'm thinking of a name for the clan. How about "The Reds" also, I have an idea for the symbol too.

[gtlogo:RED]

EBD who r the people ur bringing and yah! new signature

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did anyone who takes Latin 2 or 4 lose a goofy hat that says tappan on it cus i found it and its awsome, i wear it everywear that i dont kare about looking stoopid

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ill probably bring my kool new hat to the 29th turni

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LAIN CUT HIS HAIR???!??!?!?
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eli me and my bro and starting up some tourni's here in kalamazoo. We are a little short on money to buy the tvs so do you know anyone good who could sponsor us. Their is no game touni's in k-zoo at this time so it is helping the public.

dude just go to smashboards and find other kalamzoo ppl, theres been alot whose wanted to set up a smash thing there
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Shin/Omega,
After I read your post, I was very close to swearing at you on this board many times. What is your problem? I introduce the fact that I'm bringing new players and you shoot it down and say "but who ever it is they wont ever place in smash <strong>so why even come.</strong>" (that's a question [?])
Hm, maybe because it's fun?!? Maybe because they want to play?!? Ever think of that? Do you know why I come the the tournaments? I find them fun! Who cares if I get a prize or not? I found a way to enjoy myself and increase popularity at the library while staying away from my friends who offer me whiskey and marijuana (I decline, of course.) Isn't the library a fun way to spend a once-a-month Saturday afternoon?
How disrespectful of you to even say such a thing about someone you don't even know yet! I can't guarantee that they will place in the top five or even fifty! That shouldn't discourage them from showing up and having a little fun! Who cares if I have the occasional bad game? I shrug and go get some pizza.
Some people take these tournaments a little too seriously. What you all need to know is that Eli created this program to have a place where teenagers can come and have fun, where people of all skill levels can still have a good time. There are rules that appeal to the expert players and the beginner players. It's a game, most people want to play it whether or not they win.
Anyways, I'm done. I hope you think better about beginner players and the casual gamer. Not all gamers are driven on the "must win or don't bother showing up" thought pattern.
Good night to you.

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Submitted by shin and omega on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 12:11pm

dude chill.... at the end of the road when you look at it for what it is nobody comes to lose. If your so scared of a little compittion then you shouldn't come either. If you are close to posting swear words to what i had to say then that shows your real character right there. And yes, its ok to have fun and that is one of the most important things but the last time i lost in something it wasn't very fun. You gotta remember this isn't just some free play to come to because people are actaully battling in a vast competitive game. Also i didn't say anything disrespectful to anyone directly so i don't know where you got that from. Don't get me wrong im a good person so i just wanted to give you the truth before they come in thinking they were the best(like i did my first tourni in march madness). Also if this is the only fun thing to you because you are distracted by your friends which you say are a bad influences then your hanging with the wrong people dude. Get so friends who actually like you for who you are and like the things you like or your going to be a sad little fela all your life. If you want you can start as me being a good friend of yours?

Submitted by shin and omega on Fri, 09/21/2007 - 3:11pm

Shin: bus driver i completely respect your idea of bringing friends but that was my brother and yes, he does tend to take trash talk too far so please pay no attendion to him.

Omega E.B.D. is right you are wrong.

These tourtaments weren't intended to be for the best people. They were to give many people a chance to do good and go far in the tourtaments . That is my understanding(Correct me if I'm wrong Eli or anyone else)
and yes the best people should win most times, but whats wrong with someone else winning.

So you are wrong. Some people do come to lose. In your own clan's words "no one can beat "us" at single smash". That is true. So if only 4 people can win and 60 people show up didn't 56 come to lose?

So isn't there a problem that needs to be changed if the same 4 people can win each time.

Imagine if you didn't stand a chance no matter how hard you "practiced" to be a top kart player. How much fun would that be?

So in a way you are right no one comes to lose. That should be changed to most people don't come to lose. Some people do come knowing they have close to 0% chance of winning. Most people wouldn't. That is why attendance is down and I think the current format of the tourtaments needs to be heavily re-considered.

the reason the same people win every time is because we are that much better then you. If you were to take everyone in clan us out of the touni's for the rest of the season then there would be no consestant winner because everyone else is not very good. SSBM is a game where the better person usually wins. For example if i played anyone out of clan us normaly i would beat them. Also the reason people come back is because they think they got better and want to try again or they come to try and get better. Why do something if you already know you can't win? That makes no sense. So like i said in a competition nobody comes to lose. They might come out a loser but they did not intend to lose. I mean who does something with the intent of failing. Don't worry if you were at the top of ssbm then you would think the same as me. Plus why shouldn't the best players always win. they are the BEST PLAYERS. It would make no sense if you were to win a ssbm touri because you are not very good at it. We are good because we know advanced tactics and practice them. We were not born good. If you wanted to be good at smash then you could be BUT you rather talk about how good we are and that it Is not farE that the worst players can't win. For example, look at lain. Last year he sucked at smash. Now he has made a transformation and has become a good advanced player. JUST STOP COMPLAINNING ABOUT HOW GOOD WE ARE AND GO LEARN HOW TO GET GOOD. shEESH

" If you were to take everyone in clan us out of the touni's for the rest of the season then there would be no consestant winner"

i beg your pardon
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the main problem is people whine about them not being good, but they DON"T PRACTICE.

we practice. we put our time into this game. we got better. get over it.

i'm sure people practiced kart. they got better. do we whine? no.

get over yourselves.

omega-i said if i played anyone out of clan us i would normally beat them. The way you interpet that is completely on you. Also pwnerer i think im up to a mm with you. What do you say. I've gotten alot better. The funny thing about it is i only practice with shin so yeah...

omega- i have ssbb reserved and halo 3. I can't wait tell the 25th. Also who are you angel of death, a new regular or just so other person that has no life so they waste there time doing nothing.

everyone is right, everyone comes for their own reasons and clan us is da best at smash and everyone hates us for it, thats about the jist of it

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i think angel of death is flare?
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Yawn... Ding! DIng!Ding ding! we have a winner and for yor prize you will recieve the prestigious and highly coveted " I'm not oblivious to the obvious award." You'll recieve at the next turnament :)
But seriously Omega i didn't even change my signature
oh and eli does the foriegn exchange clan still exist? I know that I being in the foriegn exchange should know, but i couldn't really make it to turnis last year so uh yeah...

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Sat, 09/22/2007 - 8:23pm

ok im done with this trash talk crap!

lets talk turni rules... and turniness!!!

will there be team smash friendly fire?

i vote yes

because it keeps you more focused into the game and is really great way for people who arnt able to play verywell a better chance of winning.

if you argue with this reason then we have to unban all the other stages!!!

omega- omg dude if you want to get better don't try and change the rules so you can have a better chance just go practice. They rules are set and will not change. Face it if you want to get better it won't be buy cheap ways it will only happen if you give the same ammount of dedication as i did to get better. Man sometimes you can really be a pain. Also did know that in every mlg touri for ssbm they have band stages and no items. Do you know why? I'll tell you, because that way the game is fare and does not rely on luck. Man im so sick and tired of seeing you guys talk about how ssbm is unfair. Just get over it. Nobody is complainning about kart. The same people win in kart but you don't see me complaining. All i do is go back home and start practicing again so that next time i can do better. Mabye you should do the same rather then be a sore loser and complain about why you can't win. For example, the lions. They went many seasons as being the losers but the didn't complain and try to make excuses. They went back and practiced and got better and now look where they are. Mabye you could learn something from them if you had a brain.

i see john, by trying to enforce a friendly fire on rule, is thinking that clan us doesn't want that.

well... i can speak for my whole team by saying:

we don't give a damn. honestly, we PREFER team attack on.

that is all.

The funny thing about this thread is that Omega and Shin, by saying that the current rules will allow you to dominate indefinitely, are in fact presenting a very strong case for changing the rules.

The idea that there is less skill in Kart than there is in Smash is false. If Kart were played with no items then the same people would win the tournaments every time and people would complain about it.

I think I'll make another podcast soon, if I have time, to expand on these ideas and suggest some changes so that smash is a more balanced event.

"TORTURIS EXUVIAS EUNT"

omega- oh please take the items off in kart. I'd own all of ya. The point of a competition is not for everyone to be a winner is for the best people or team to be the winners. In any sport it works like this or in any other competion so then why are you trying to say it should be different here. Please if that is the way everyone see's it then take items off for kart and make pools like smash. 1v1 and one free for all. Then kart and smash would be exactly the same. Now that would put a smile on my face. Not only because you guys would shut up but i would be on the top of kart. :)

yea i like team attack on

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Omega if it was no item kart i seriously doubt you would win. UNless when you lose you always you are in the front and than take a blue shell at the last minute.

Because as of right now you have a kart rating under 40 and have only won once.

Also no item kart wouldn't be as fun.

"The point of a competition is not for everyone to be a winner is for the best people or team to be the winners"

Yes this is true, but it isn't going to happen. If me and you play 100 times i will probably win once and if that one time is at a tournament than i am still not as good at the game, but i move on.

That is the reason things are fun. UPSETS. People don't come to these to get better they come to have fun and no matter who you are you have more fun winning. So by making an oppurtunity for more people to win by providing more randomness. More people will have fun.

I'm not saying people aren't having fun, but losing every time isn't fun and that is why many don't come back to these events and attendance is way down.

MY SUGGESTION FOR CHANGES
1.Have 3 FFA elimniations. Getting stuck with a good new comer in a pool is too much of a risk. But the pools are still ok

2.Make the first round of elimniation FFA and top 2 move on

3.Put all items on.

I think these can be agreeable compromises. Since the winner is still decided by 1 v 1's. the 5 or so hardcore smash people also can have the friday night smash tourtaments.

Pwnerer- It'd be great if you could be on the next podcast, I'm thinking about doing one about smash and you'd be a good person to have on that podcast.

If you have some sort of VoIP program on your computer we can do it that way or we could try to set up a time to meet at the library.

"TORTURIS EXUVIAS EUNT"

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Sun, 09/23/2007 - 7:31pm

hahahahaha ill pwn you and you cant turn off items on kart!!!

IM LOOKING FORWARD TO TAKING YOUR $5 NEXT SATURDAY! and i dont want the turni to be canceled due to cause of betting on da games...

maby next year when im not gonna be there any more!!!!!!!

omega-no tc if i were to play you in my sleep i'd beat you. I mean you got for stocked by my brothers pikachu. Even if we played 1000 times you would not win a single match. Also i want eli to tell me is the perpose of coming to the tournis is to try and win or just to have fun. And i am as good at kart as anyone else so if anyone wants to play 1v1 no items then i would be happy to beat you. Yeah thats right im calling all yall out... Don't be scared now. Put your money were your mouth is and i'll be happy to take it. Also sense they are changing the format you will be able to see my real skill in kart.

Everybody on here should know that it's Eric's (EJK's) birthday today. So wish him Happy Birthday on Sunday, cause he's part of the team that brings these awesome tournaments to you.
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Okay, I give the nod to Pwnerer in the smash discussion.

He's probably right, but I'm just saying, you guys are all arguing over which game is harder to win consistently in, and one of the things you all bring up is the so called "simplicity" that is Mario Kart.

Sure the various button combinations involved in Smash are much more complicated than the ones in Mario Kart, but Smash is more than just button combinations. As you pointed out Pwnerer, experience and mind games go a long way in deciding who will win a match.

Those can't really be trained/practiced up, they are accumulated gradually over time after playing many many matches.

In Mario Kart, once you achieve supremacy, no amount of mind games or whatnot will knock you off your perch. It is harder to win consistently in Mario Kart because there are less facets of the game for one to master.

In Smash, you can master one, some, or all the various aspects of the game, with each one bringing more and more victories until you have a full repertoire of skills. Pwnerer wins because he has more "talent" than most people here, I could practice the advanced techniques all I want, but the thing I am desperately lacking in is experience.

If I practiced for Mario Kart, once I can snake, and hit every corner and every turn to perfection, I do not need any experience, I can win consistent.

It's just getting to that skill level in Mario Kart, that's what takes the most practice; just boring old practice by yourself.

shin: "Pwnerer wins because he has more "talent" than most people here" FJW I really dont think its TALENT i would say more like experience. i say that because pwnerer has more experience than anybody in the aadl gt (except anrther) and hes played some of the best people around. So calling it talent wouldnt really be giving him all his credit thats all im saying.

omega-fjw do you even know where pwnerer and us stands in the real smash world. To be honest we are still nobodys. TAlent in smash is to be able to do what most people cant do. For exampe, Dashizwiz can multi shine 16x. He is a talented person because most people in this world cant do that which gives him an advantage and makes him special. To be honest almost anyone at the aadl could be as good as me in smash. I didn't start out good and nether did cisco. We all had to learn day by day and we all had to lose alot of matchs to get where we are at know.

That's exactly my point

<em>Anyone</em> can get to the point that you and Cisco are at, it's talent and intelligence that sets the truly special apart from the great.

In Mario Kart, you could be the dumbest person in the world, and have absolutely no talent at all, but if you practiced your butt off for a long period of time, you will eventually be able to achieve perfection. After you get there, the most talented player in the world could only tie you, because there is a peak at how good you can get in Mario Kart.

Smash plateaus at a certain point, but the sky is really the limit as to how good you can really get.
Mario Kart peaks, and you cannot get any better.

It's harder to get to Mario Kart's peak, than it is to get to Smash's plateau.

Submitted by TC Bad driver on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 9:15pm

The shifted librian presentation was interesting

I would really like to have Eli come on and clear things up because the arguements right now aren't going anywhere

Submitted by shin and omega on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 9:38pm

shin: what arguements bad driver? These are clearly different point of views of what people think about of the aadl gt. This would most likely to be a debate theres no hard feelings here or am i wrong? But like you said it would be nice to see eli point of view :)

I guess arguements might have been bad word choice and debate is better though they ar pretty much the same thing

I just want Eli to give his opinon

TC Bad Driver, that's not agreeable. all items? what the heck. and that's way too many free for alls. sooner or later the good players are gonna get 3 v 1'ed and THEN it becomes unfair.

seriously, you guys complain about not being good at smash and then try and squander through to 1st place without practicing or ANYTHING. people in kart got good because they practiced. do we complain and try to change rules? no. we worked hard (i mean look at shin, he got leagues better).

you guys need to man up and just pratice smash, cause in this game ANYONE can win, you just need to practice instead of whining.

Submitted by FRIEDjellyWALNUT on Sun, 09/23/2007 - 10:43pm

Actually, I would have to argue against all of you on a few points.

First of all, none of the Kart players at AADL-GT come close to touching the ability possessed by the top Mario Kart players in the world, no one. If you go online and search for videos of professional Kart players running time trials, you'll understand what I mean, everyone here pales in comparison.

As for Smash, I agree that it is harder to learn how to perform all the various advanced techniques for Smash (Wavedashing, SHFFLing, etc.) than it is in Kart (Snaking and advanced item management), but my point is, in Smash, once you learn how to do all the advanced techniques with ease, you can hold your own against the best of the best. I'm sure the number one player in the world would beat all of us in a majority of matches, but once you figure him out, you can exploit any weaknesses in his game by altering your mind games.

Not so in Mario Kart,

If you and the top player in the world raced with no items on, he would beat you EVERY TIME.
It is most definitely harder to win consistently in Mario Kart because players stop striving for improvement once they think they are good, but none of us are actually even close to be considered true pro material. Therefore, we have many equally skilled Kart players, all hoping to be the lucky on that just happens to win. But the reason why none of us are willing to take that next step, is because it is so much harder to do than in Smash.

As for Smash, take the Roysters, Cisco, and Lain, all three of them got very good in Smash very quickly, especially of Lain.

Now, if you any of your people can hit professional level in Kart in the same time those three hit pro level in Smash, I would be highly highly impressed.

These Library tournaments are indeed for determining the best player, but under a set of rules that give the underdogs a fighting chance. It's true that we would be reminded month after month that Pwnerer is the best Smash player, and Johninabox, TP2, and various other players rotate around as the best Mario Kart racer. If you guys watch college football, how many of you are tired of always seeing USC, Oklahoma, Texas and LSU on top of the standings? Year after year, those teams win consistently, why? Because they are the best of the best. But how many of you are always rooting for the underdog? When USC plays Washington, when LSU plays South Carolina, we all want the underdog to full off that miracle win, why?

Because there is always that chance.

And it makes things interesting.

It's amusing watching you guys argue over who is better with words and insults, when it should be done on the playing field.

wow did you really imply someone like... you... or... monkeyman... could beat Mew2King (arguably the best player in the world) by just figuring him out and learning how to wavedash?

No, I did not imply that.

Note the "mastering of advanced techinques"

and the "achieving pro level skill"

Are Monkeyman and I anywhere close to pro level skill? No.

If you played Mew2King about 10,000 times, I'm sure even you could pull it off at least once.

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 5:56am

ok im sure every 1 is rooting for "us" the michigan team....
B.O.M is the Ap.st team all we need is that 1 time that 1 chance to win that 2nd or 3rd in smash and we will have more points over all that day and that will jump B.O.M. into first....

and we will take first by blocking your wins in smash (blocked fieldgoal)

and winning all of kart (recovering the ball)

GO B.O.M.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by tomcove6888 on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 9:23am

FJW FTW. Totally summed up these tournaments. At first, when I read that post, I thought it was Eli. Then I checked the name, and it was FJW. He knows what he speaks.
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Submitted by Pwnerer on Mon, 09/24/2007 - 10:23am

FJW, you've never played anyone good. You honestly don't know what you're talking about. I've played PC Chris, M2K, and a variety of other fantastic players.

For reference, Lain and I played many matches at the end of last season. It was a miserable ending for him. However, he had mastered the "advanced techniques" proficiently. He was just completely undeveloped and inexperienced at his characters.

This is why I fourstocked him time after time, without fail, with nearly half of the characters in the game, some of which were blatantly horrible.

PC Chris would not lose to Lain, the Roysters, or I in a million years in a single match that occurred on a neutral stage, probably not even a counterpick (depending on whether or not PC is choosing to play like, M2 or something). He just wouldn't lose unless he got tired of playing the game (which happens after about 7 matches straight from the mental strain). Neither would Mew2King. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.

Lain and I are the only ones who are actually qualified to talk about competitive smash in here, because we're the only ones involved in it. Omega/Shin are good enough to play at that level, but they've been to one tournament, and unfortunately that tournament was Evo2K (not representative of the general tournament SSBM scene).

to anyone who wants to come it's in Mr. Dwyer's Brit Lit Classroom on the thirdfloor. i believe it's... 4310. just ask around for dwyer's class room if it's not.

also, B.O.M. is like kart only. only they're not as solid as Us is at kart. true story.

and supersmashborthersclan? what a joke.

i think lain, cisco, and the roysters should just go to the UofM biweeklies instead of round 2 :)
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