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This week: Pokémon, Super Smash, and Mario Kart Tournaments, plus DDR at the Art Fair!

by eli

It's late July in Ann Arbor, and that means (at least) two things; the Art Fair, and the return of the Super Smash Double Dash Championship Season! It will be a busy week at the library, and it all starts off with Pokémondays, this time at Malletts Creek Branch on Monday, 7/16, from 1-5 PM for players of all ages and Pokémon level 51 & up.

Then, come see us at the Ann Arbor Street Art Fair main stage next to the Belltower for DDR on Wednesday 7/18 and Friday 7/20 from 1-4 PM. There will be some prizes for the very best players, but you can also just come to show off in front of the crowd. You know you want to.

Finally, it's the end of the arduous off-season, as the clans converge on the Downtown Library on Saturday, 7/21, from Noon - 5 PM for the long-awaited Super Smash Double Dash Preseason Event! We'll have single and team kart and smash, and an opportunity to try out some new methods, recruit members for your clan, and size up the competition, and eat pizza. Hope to see you all there!

In case you're wondering, here is the official 2007 GT Season Schedule. All events downtown.

Sat 7/21 Preseason Event, 12-5
Fri 8/24 DDR, 6-8:45 PM
Sat 8/25 GT Round 1, 12-5
Sun 8/26 Mario Party Tournament, 1-4 PM

Fri 9/28 Super Smash Regulation Throwdown, 6-8:45 PM
Sat 9/29 GT Round 2, 12-5
Sun 9/30 Kids Kart for grades K-5, 1-4 PM

Fri 10/19 Rhythm Master Tournament 6-8:45 PM
Sat 10/20 GT Round 3, 12-5
Sun 10/21 Wii Sports Tournament, 1-4 PM

Fri 11/9 Guitar Hero 2 / Pikmin 2 Tournament, 6-8:45 PM
Sat 11/10 GT Round 4, 12-5
Sun 11/11 DDR, 1-4 PM
Fri 11/23 Pokémon Battle Revolution, 1-5 PM

Fri 12/14 Tournament TBA
Sat 12/15 2007 GT Championships, 12-5
Sun 12/16 Super Smash Bros BRAWL tournament 1-4 PM

And something very new and very cool....

Fri 12/21 First Annual AADL-GT Awards and Grudge Buffet, 6-8:45 PM

That's it for now... stay tuned.

Comments

Submitted by TC Bad driver on Sun, 07/15/2007 - 6:01pm

Schedule looks sweet! What is the rule set going to be on saturday? Are you going to use pools for melee? I would say no 1 v 1 because the best person will win almost every time even with items. So really with the 1 v 1 tourtament setting there are only 3 people with a real chance of winning. Maybe FFA quals and than 2 FFA elimniations were top 2 move on than final 8 is 1 v 1 elimniation. That way the 5 or 6 hardcore people can have their 1 v 1's, but the rest of us can still have a shot at placing because some good people might lose in the FFA. So what i am trying to say and might not be too clear is that the best person shouldn't always win. They should win most of the time, but the rules should allow enough randomness for a lesser person to win or to at least have a hope of winning.

yeah, cause having the best people, who by the way have practiced far longer then any other scrubs at smash, win a tournament is terrible.

i can't attend this because i'm going to a tournament in Southfield. it's gonna be tiiiiiight.

omega-todaay is the day.... our clan place in all of our events. Face it smash is not even worth talking about anymore and we are getting really good at kart. Now today i'll keep my eyes open for a sixth member.

Submitted by eli Staff on Fri, 08/31/2007 - 12:17pm

I always know that when the discussion devolves into 'last post!!!11!' that it's time to close the thread. Sorry, John...

Submitted by shin and omega on Sun, 07/15/2007 - 7:45pm

omega-why shouldn't the best players always win. They are the best players and therefore they should have a far better chance winning in what their best in. Stop trying to take the easy way out and get around the big guns by 4v4. Just because your not a top smash player doesn't mean we should go down to your level to change the rules. Only and idiot would do that.

omega- also i am the best pokemon trainner ever so i will also be taking the pokemon revolution. My partie is simply unstoppable. I own firered emerald and pearl so i'll just migrate my big boys to pearl so i can own everyone.

Huzzah for the tournaments starting again!

Also, Bad Driver, are you still interested in commentating? I'd certainly love to have you with me rather than get some n00b in there who I haven't worked with before.

And also, to Omega, you'd better watch yourself at the Battle Revolution tournament. You may not be as good as you think, cause I've been training up some heavy hitters for the Wii version tournaments.

Lastly, I'm going to ask again that anyone who has a Wii post your friend code, because right now I have no friends. At least, not on my Wii.
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eli if you have time you should make a top 25% for both kart and smash record sheet that shouws the top 25% and who they are so we all know

John that list wouldn't be exact be cause it's based on whos there
As a side note props to TP2 for being the only person in the 100 total wins club, I'll join you soon ( second with 99, dang so close...)
for anyone who cares, the only other people who are close are pwnerer(97) and monkeyman(95)

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Sun, 08/12/2007 - 11:29am

well the list would just be a guidline.

if your in the top 25 you should be there almost every time...

eli, if you could make one of those but dont feel compelled to do so.

cisco i will also play you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cisco and everyone else i guess, theres a smashfest here in saline, started at noon actually i think anther and all them are coming, check the boards

lol bad driver u run cc?? what grade are you in and for what school because my friend who goes to huron could never go to the tournies last year because of cc meets but then again he only plays smash probly coulda made it to the mk part of the tourney
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Im running for huron. Going to Community

im going to be a freshman August and September conflict with toutaments but both start at 9 so i know i will be able to make some of it probally all of it.

EBD are you going to be joining omegas clan? because if youd like you can join my clan with fjw and mike s and others pending to be invited
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well yeah that "list" of whatever wouldn't be right. only slightly. i believe i destroyed Monkeyman when i played him in brackets. and i sucked REALLY bad back then.

it's really only a thing to make you feel better about yourself. haha.

oh and AJ, address?

Submitted by AJ on Mon, 08/13/2007 - 4:22pm

hey guys, i have camp until monday, i forgot about that when i posted first, so i cant play with u guys until Tuesday. If anyone wants to practice the from Tuesday to the tournament day i will be happy to play tho.

Yeah wins arent going to mean as much now with pools. I won 14 matches at the preseason and im a "scrub". Though there won't be 2 smash pools but 9 qualifaction matches this season in there is one kart and one melee pool. Than for team melee you get a minmum of 2 and team kart you get at least 2

so just off qualifactions you get 13 matches opposed to 9 last year. So winning 100 might be like hitting 500 home runs in Major league Baseball.

I think a really good season is 40 or 45 wins i hope to get that season 4.

Eli I have a cross country meet the day of the tourney. I dont know when it gets done or anything but how late could i come to be able to still jump in for single melee?

Omega there is no fun in competition if the underdog has no chance of winning. I am going to use the MarioKart example. If we did mariokart how you guys want to do your melee it would be no fun. No item, 1 on 1 mariokart. I would love it because most likely i would perform better, but it would be more fun if anyone who has played for 5 hours has a shot at winning.
As far as i understand these tourtaments weren't mad for people to travel an hour too to play extremely intense super smash. These are suppose to be fun. I would say the majority of people would say a Free for all is more fun because it is more random. Omega i am not saying you have to come to my level. I think if i play you i should have a shot at winning. So the best person should win the majority of the time, but if we play a 1 v 1 you will beat just out of the fact you are better than me. If we play a free for all that does not change the fact that you are better than me, but gives me a small chance of winning because of more randomness. which would make the tourtaments in my opinon more enjoyable for all except the 3 or 4 of you who are use to winning everytime.

Tom i would like to commentate again and i hope i am better than some n00b :).

i didn't bother to read any of that cause after i read "there is no fun in competition if the underdog has no chance of winning".

it's broken knowledge. why do you think people travel to tournaments out of state even though they know they have no chance of winning? it's because it is STILL fun. they STILL learn stuff.

example, i just took a 3 hour drive to Indiana for a huge tournament (a tournament where people from all over the world came to participate in, like Europe far), and we knew we didn't have a chance of placing, but the experience and the FUN was worth it.

practice more, get better, stop whining, gg.

also, does the preseason event count for points? i'm gonna be pissed off if it does.

haha it counts sucker
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Submitted by MDidget on Mon, 07/16/2007 - 2:32am

Lol @ Porygon Z sweeping with a base 90 speed. Are you running choice scarf on that thing?

I wanna wifi battle someone in pokemon <_<

Submitted by tomcove6888 on Mon, 07/16/2007 - 10:31am

Of course, Bad Driver, you are at least 20x better than a n00b! Maybe 22.
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hmm i looked at ppls breakdown of points from last yr and the preseason counted from what i saw
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Submitted by eli Staff on Mon, 07/16/2007 - 8:21pm

ok, just to clear this up: the preseason event will count towards towards your xp and our rating, but we are awarding xp and ratings based on everything that is currently in the database. however, there is no clan play at the preseason event, and the season leaderboard, including the clan leaderboard, will reset before round 1. The idea is that every aadl-gt event counts towards your rating and your level, but the leaderboard is a regular season leaderboard.

Thanks for the offer, limabean, but I've already got MP8. =)

Lain you can disagree and i don't think i can convince you, but more so to Eli that in my opinon the rules have gotten a little too slanted towards the upper players with the 1 v 1's. I think it should be 3 free for all quals. Than 2 FFA elimniations were top 2 move on than final 8 is 1 v 1. So if you are good enough to play in the chaotic 4 player matches and the more faster 1 v 1's you are the best player. Take into consideration just because you can win 1 v 1's doesn't mean you are the best melee player it means you are the best 1 v 1 melee player. Free for all is a different type of game where you have to decide sometimes if you want to risk getting killed to kill someone and stuff like that.

So 1 v 1 might take more technical skill, but FFA in my thinking takes more thinking and less wavedashes and whatever.

So for saturday is it going to be all 1 v 1's? Also how are the other events going to work. Single elimniation team melee?
Excited to see the player rating and such
see you guys saturday

haha duck i lol'd
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"Duck, unattainable pokemon = ?

Most unattainable pokemon such as Arceus and Darkrai are banned from standard competitive play anyway..." - MDidget

I'm not talking Arceus and Darkrai (although some kids have those), I don't think we allow kids to use those two. I know Arceus is banned because you can only obtain it via glitch or cheating. I'm talking Deoxy, Jirachi, Celebi and Mew which we allow, but can't be caught in traditional methods.

Okay players, check your profile pages for XP, Ratings and Levels.

Oh, and because he has retired from AADL-GT into the adult category and therefore doesn't appear on the leaderboard anymore, here's a [http://www.aadl.org/aadlgt/player/139|link to the player with the highest level]. Others can be found on the [http://www.aadl.org/aadlgt/leaderboard|Leaderboard page], which is due for a renovation to add all this cool new data.

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Great work. I don't think Duck will be top for long my brother is like a few hundred points away, but he isnt going to be there saturday. Im level 39 thats pretty sweet.
Is there a way to sort by level to see who is #2 and #3 etc.? How do you find the levels?

lvl 21 yeahh i even get xp points for a no show lol
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"Take into consideration just because you can win 1 v 1's doesn't mean you are the best melee player it means you are the best 1 v 1 melee player."

True, but that's not the argument. It's not like we're having a smash biathlon where people have to do well in 1 v 1 and 2 v 2 to earn placings and stuff. It's separate.

"So 1 v 1 might take more technical skill, but FFA in my thinking takes more thinking and less wavedashes and whatever."

That's not true at all. In smash, there's three things. Tech skill, prediction, and mindgames. 1 v 1 utilizes all three, and it shows very well. I know more about competitive smash (and smash in general) then you do by far so please don't try and argue. FFA doesn't take thinking. There's basically you choose to not camp and you choose to camp. Then you can try and utilize mindgames, and tech skill, and prediction if you choose to not camp. But it's mighty hard to use those three assets when a marth is walking up and fsmashing you in the back of the head.

Also, I freakin' LOVE xkcd.

Yeah Lain you do know more about smash.
"But it's mighty hard to use those three assets when a marth is walking up and fsmashing you in the back of the head"
That would take prediction. If you go around smashing people than someone is going to smash you. So sometimes you have to risk your life for a sure kill. That situation would never happen in 1 v 1 because if you are edge guarding some one no one will sneak up behind up and smash you. In FFA they will.

So this will probally be my final point. 1V1 requires more technical skill and mind games, but FFA requires more thinking.

"There's basically you choose to not camp and you choose to camp"
Even if this was true you would still have to THINK and not randomly leave your camping spot and get killed or to stay there when you are getting attacked with range and you dont have any.

So I think the tourtaments should have a good mixture of both and FFA should be in the elimniation rounds as well as 1 v 1's.

D-rex to predict the #1 i would say turtle or pwner. Turtle has always performed well in season 2 and 3. So if it is accumluative and you are not punished for a bad round he will win. If it is percentage based Pwner will win because he didn't play kart for awhile and wins almost every match he plays.

Submitted by Hot_ArmS on Mon, 08/13/2007 - 10:51pm

k what happened to the leaderboard
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Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Mon, 08/13/2007 - 10:52pm

i had 27 reaces in total from the grands!!!!!!!!!!!

it says i only did 19 and won 9??????

by the way any 1 wanna play me in counter strikesource?????

hey u guys go to digital ops too, u should come on saturdays to play halo2. Well, im leaving for a week so i wont be able to play till next tuesday which i said in an earlier post but i am just clarifying that it is next tuesday.

Also, johninabox, i play CS a lot so after i get back we could get something going maybe?

random turny fact: at round one I will become the first person to reach 200 total matches played (currently at 195)
I will soon be followed by:
Johninabox( 191)
bad driver( 189)
monkey man( 187)
you all probably don't care but I'm just putting out there that I'm #1

haha ur just making urself look bad cause uve played the most matches but dont have the most wins
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I'm second in wins only to t2p, who is amazing
I have more wins per match than you (and for that matter nearly everyone) do/(does), and almost the the same average score in smash, pretty sad for someone who's supposed to be a top 5 smash player

kk i will play cs source but im not paying 4 digi ops unless i can get alot of people to go.

my screen name 4 cs source is JOHNINABOX (how original) just message me

if you go to digi ill play at home and you play there if we dont get a lot of people.

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 9:27am

well you know what....

digi is gonna sponser us........ i will probly go then to talk with our sponser.

soo plan on me going some time but i might not b able to make it.

wait so drex are you saying we're equal in smash? if so wanna SNORKMATCH

also to EBD and whoever else is interested in my clan with fjw and mike s, were going to be using round 1 as a try out per say, if you do good and are still a free agent after round 1 then we'd add you to the clan
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nah d-rex is just saying he's played more. doesn't mean a thing. hahaha.

also, johninabox, there is no point in having someone sponsor. that doesn't even make sense!

if the library costed money to enter, then digi would pay it. then any winnings you guys make, digi makes a percentage of.

either that or you're just gonna go wearing digi ops shirts. -_-

yeah thats what i was saying, it was useless for him to post that kind of info, him playing more games doesnt mean a thing and correct me if im wrong but out of all those times uve played u havent come top 3 in anything
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Submitted by ryanhibbs4@gmail.com on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 4:46pm

no he's better at smash, just not 1v1, fd no items, he plays it the way it was ment 2 be playd which are the REAL RULES...
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having the most matches doesn't mean that much but it does show I advanced pretty far in each event consistently
and no I haven't won top 3 in smash (I did get a 4th) because I'm not a 'smash player' I am a kart player, I was noting your low average score for someone who claims to be a top smash player I have no doubt that you would beat me 1v1

having the most matches doesn't mean that much but it does show I advanced pretty far in each event consistently
and no I haven't won top 3 in smash (I did get a 4th) because I'm not a 'smash player' I am a kart player, I was noting your low average score for someone who claims to be a top smash player I have no doubt that you would beat me 1v1

ok who deleted the posts
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CRAP. Sorry, guys, I accidentally deleted the next 40-odd posts that were attached to one of d-rex's doubles... I scanned it quickly, but did not get to completely read them... and there was some good stuff in there. Sorry.

Anyways, sorry I've been gone, it's been a [http://blog.siggraph.org/sts|busy] couple of weeks, but we're gearing up for round 1, and we've got something cool happening next week I'll post about friday.

In the meantime, here are some decisions:

Clans will remain 6 players for the 2007 season. I think we should seriously revisit that issue in the off-season, but the intent was for a clan to be 4 players with 2 subs so that it was more likely that each team could field a full 4-player team at each tournament, not for each clan to comprise 2 full teams.

More than one pool per round is just not feasible with the constraints we have. However, it's possible that we could have the top 32 do a second, shorter pool to get to the final 8. In kart, we'd do one final race; In smash, a seeded 1v1 mini-bracket. What do you guys think about that instead of the single elims we usually do? I'm not sure if we have the time, but it has some advantages.

As far as the great 8p vs. 4p debate, I think that part of the draw of our tournaments is that you play against lots of people, so it should be 8p whenever possible. I do agree it's a lot easier to squeak out 2nd in a 4p match, but that could be appropriately countered if we change the kart points to match the smash points, so that 2nd place in a 4p race would get you 60 points instead of 80 like it did in the preseason. It really shouldn't be that way anyway, and we will fix that for round 1.

That said, I'm going to try a few things before the tourney and see if we can improve the lag, and see if the item holding was a fluke or a feature. If it looks like that's going to work better, I would prefer 8-player pools. We'd stick with our original 8p scoring for kart then, where 390 points are given out to 8 players (as opposed to 400 points given out to 8 players in two 4p smash matches, no great imbalance there). If the lag persists, I think 4p pools really are better. I guess I'm a frame-rate snob...

OK, stay tuned for some cool updates tomorrow. Sorry again about deleting all those posts, I swear it wasn't an editorial urge. =)

BD, if you can make it by 12:30, it usually won't be too late. The best thing about pools is that we can start before everyone is there, but I'm hoping to start seating pools earlier at round 1. The only trick is that the later you are, the harder it is to do clan avoidance, so if clanmates arrive late, they may have to choose between fighting each other and missing the event.

Capisce?

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 11:09pm

ill b on at least once an hour to see wut the suprise is

i bet eli is gonna make me the most koolest player to ever be in the turni

and he is gonna give me a reward

:)

"we could have the top 32 do a second, shorter pool to get to the final 8. In kart, we'd do one final race; In smash, a seeded 1v1 mini-bracket."

that sounds good actually, as long as i dont get stuck in pools with any of the top 4 in smash in the top 32 round lol

oh and if eli if you email john then i want an email too :P

hot_arms@hotmail.com
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I know what the surprise is, nah nah nah nah naaah naah.

Actually, I'm lying to you. I don't know it either.
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Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 12:16pm

dont post the suprise yet im gonna b at the pool w8 till like around 6 or soo to post the suprise plz..

if you cant w8 then go ahead and post but if you can plz do

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 12:16pm

dont post the suprise yet im gonna b at the pool w8 till like around 6 or soo to post the suprise plz..

if you cant w8 then go ahead and post but if you can plz do

What is the breakdown of the tournament schedule? Like, will it be SSBM from 12:30-2:30 and then MKDD from 2:45-5 ???

I'm just wondering because I have work that day and wanted to know what the latest possible time i could come would be because I would be willing to skip the SSBM portion.

And when are we gonna be able to register??

10 bucks says someone gets a reserved copy of brawl, also i like the booth interview idea

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Actually, eli never said anything about a surprise, he just said some "cool new updates". There could be a difference.
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Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:40pm

kk my guess is that eli got us on a tv show like g4 for example or on ctn.

orrrrrrrrrr

nintendo is gonna give us wiis
and sponser us maby...

orrrrrrrrrr

prizes are gonna be bigger 4th place !!!!! hehehe

orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

eli is gonna reward me with a kool prize because i am sooo awsome.

those are my guesses

Submitted by FRIEDjellyWALNUT on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 11:37pm

Yay, new post

Submitted by Pwnerer on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 11:39pm

I lost SSBM about a month ago. I wanna find it kinda.

also: m0neymatch i just dodged the censor i'm so sneaky

lol but didnt u sell ur cube and smash to russellchamp
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theres not really a sensor......
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Ok the 6 person clan is great and is the perfect number.

Also i like the stat breakdown from the previous 3 season even if the scores are all messed up from the insane points people get from the grands.

I would like 8 player pools but if there is lag and messed up game play than 4 player is best. Than top 32 move on too new pools. where you have 2 too a station on 4 stations, 8 player pools. They get 3 races than a new group jumps in. These pools shouldn't take that long and would be great because you get the 8 player experience and the pool Than there is the infamous final race to decide prize winners.

I always like the idea of a second round of pools for melee.

Also for commentating are the events going to be televised?

I had one idea I'd like to run by you is the possibility of in the booth interviews. So me and Tom could get a little more in depth interviews than the current ones. I was thinking we would talk to someone before the match and ask if they want to be interviewed after the match and have them come back to the booth and we talk to them about the match and the rest of the tournament/season.

I think I should be able to make the august one because the meet starts at 9 and is only 20 minutes away. At the Sept. tourney i have one starts at 9 and it is an hour away. That one might be hard to make single melee.

Is the clan cup going to be the same format?

Any word on clan/individual prizes? Will they be the same?

Submitted by shin and omega on Sun, 07/15/2007 - 10:42pm

omega-all lv 100. Perfect pokemon partie. No legendaries neccessary. Don't be shocked if i win the tourney. It will not be a surprise to me. Saddly i live in k-zoo so i won't be able to sweep any parties with my porygon-z xD but i'll be their in november. Six years i've been a champion in pokemon. This year i'll make seven. Also would you like to wifi battle.

Submitted by Pickwick the Second on Tue, 07/17/2007 - 9:38pm

The rankings look great; thanks, Eli, Eric, et al, for working on those. And congratulations, Duck :D

Pwnerer has had my Kart disc since, I think, November, so he might perform better this year. If he doesn't, I'll want it back, but I do think he'll end up in first place come the end of all things.

Finally, I have a self-interested question, Eli: Are players who have "aged out" of the GT to be allowed to compete in the Preseason, not for prizes, but for the gratification of malicious tendencies and outright sadism that must result from knocking other players down in the rankings?

Yes, pickwick, players who aged out this past season are welcome at the preseason event, but they won't advance to the prize round.

Eric is working on a new leaderboard that will allow you to sort by overall level as well as game-specific rankings. Stay tuned for that!

I'm currently thinking each 4-player melee pool will play 2 FFA and then head-to-head round robin. Kart pools will be for 4 races.

Limabean, it's usually OK to show up late to DDR. So long as you make it before we start the second pass through the list, usually at least an hour and a half after the published start time.

"I'm currently thinking each 4-player melee pool will play 2 FFA and then head-to-head round robin. Kart pools will be for 4 races."

I'll go with that
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yeah FFA + RR thing sounds good. good one eli.

guess i'll be coming by to actually win this ddr tournament (and not be a moron and choose a song i have no idea how to play)

uhhh damn. i see that i'm busy from 2 - 3.

is there anyway i can come and do my qualification things, then come back by 3 and finish brackets or whatever? i have a program thing i have to do at 2pm. and they say it takes an hour but i can probably rush through it.

Rules look good. I would prefer less 1 v 1.
For the scoring i think it should be tweaked a little because getting points in melee is much easier than kart. If you check peoples ratings just about everyone has a higher melee rating.
I think the FFA is good enough and you really can't make that fair.
For 1 v 1 when you get play and win you get points for a first. If you compare that to the MarioKart scoring system you get points as if you beat 7 people even though you beat 1. So in reality you got anywhere from a 1st to a 7th. I think they should get points as if they won which is 100. i really dont think you can try to get around that and trying to score it by rounds would be hard. I think the loser in a 1 v 1 should get 30. Right now they get 60 which is equal to a third in mariokart. I think getting a third in mariokart is much more challenging than losing a 1 v 1. I think they should get 30 because that is a sixth in mariokart. When you lose a 1 v 1 that is like getting a 2nd to an 8th in mariokart. the middle of that is a 5th which is 40 points. I think that should be lowered to 30 because you have so many melee matches and melee scores are going to get insanely high as good mariokart players wont be able to compete score wise with good melee players and they will suffer in the seedings for the grands

It's 100 times harder to be good in smash then it is to be good in kart. You complain too much about smash to try and get more points, where as in kart, a game you're... uhh... ok in... you have no problem with it.

Quit sucking in smash so bad. Seriously, I'm telling you to stop. At least try to be mediocre, then you'll see things differently.

I will put this in real simple terms. If i "Suck so Bad" at smash and am "ok" in Mariokart how come my rating in smash is higher. because it is easier to get points in smash.
Find me some people with higher kart ratings than smash ratings

i honestly don't care what your little "ratings" are. they're not completely accurate.

you suck at smash. plain and simple. i'm not being cocky, i'm not using an ego here. i'm telling you, you're not good at the game.

is it true the road to the library on saturday will be closed due to the artfair
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Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Fri, 07/20/2007 - 9:59am

ELI do you get any bonuses for 4th place finishes???

if so i should have alot mor then i do bonus wise...

also i dont know if d-rex said anything but he should have alot more also ill have to look more carefully at my scores and his.

ill se you all at the turni on saturday!!!!!

See you there john. If TC comes together than we should have some friendly practice sessions with you guys. Considering our neighborhood has the 4 highest leveled players(not counting duck). Also don't mike swain and Mike Song live near you guys?

eli i redid my score and i got when i calculated it 13141 not 13078 of total xp bonuses maby i messed up nut i dont think i did ill redo it just to make sure.

also i got 4th over all in da grands does thay not give any extra xp bonuses?

if it does i did get 4th in the 1st season also and 4th's 3rd' 2nd's and 1st's in normal events.

just wondering if i get any thing extra.

if you dont have time to do all that i am asking dont worry about it it is ok ill win them durring the next season, but if you do have time then please look into this.

see you all at the turni!!!!!

johninabox out.

there are no scores from team kart from last preseason past the qualifying ...
dang and i won that... any way I can get points for that? please i still have the gift card if you need proof

D-rex i think everyone i short on points. It might be because season 2 winning an event was worth less than season 3. Also team scores might or might not be divided into 2. If team scores arent divided and season 2 wins are worth as much as season 3 im short about 1,500.

and through all the tiny squabbling over 1a level's worth of points, or 10 xp missing, limabean chimes in, with his infinite wisdom.

thank you, limabean.

The ratings are accurate for the matches that are in the system, but they are not complete. You'll notice some of the recent smash-only tournaments are not in there, so they don't reflect recent events. We can fix the missing bonuses, but the events that were not in the system are not in the system. We should be able to recover Season 1 eventually, though, which we have in a different database, but that's not a high priority at the moment.

The good news is that we're planning on all events being in the system this season, which means that your prowess in other games will affect your overall level too... and I think Lain's DDR rating is going to be pretty fierce... and limabean's too.

Of <strong>course</strong> none of this matters. That's why they call it fun.

Eric's got a nice implementation of our pool system ready for tomorrow. Still no double-elimination yet, but pools should make for a very smooth tourney.

Smash will be 3-stock, 3-minutes, Items Med, with our standard bans. HOWEVER, ties in place will be broken by kills, then by score. No more second-place pacts guys. =) Everyone should get 2 pools, which means 4 FFA and 6 1v1 matches per player in qualification. (And maybe even as many as 8 4-player kart races each!)

Our pool generator will use your Smash Rating (or your Kart rating for Kart events) to spread out the top players. Basically, each pool should have no more than 1 player from the top 25% of the available players.

See you guys in the morning, this should be cool. Oh, and Sravan, there's no Clan play at the preseason. It's your chance to recruit and fill out your Clan rosters before the Clan Season starts at Round 1 in August.

Also, it's only a little trickier to get to the library during art fair. Liberty is closed, and Main is closed between William and Huron, but you can get to william from division or fifth and get dropped off right along the south side of the building. The buses are all running normally too.... the only real catch would be parking. =)

riley do you already have a partner for smash?

also im taking the bus from the mall to s main street and walking to the library from there, so if im late dont start without me cause that just means im lost lol
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Well, I'm surely not disappointed.

BD, that's what I was thinking for Kart; 4 player pools, 8 player elims. 4-player quals means everyone gets to play more. We'd do 8 players on 2 stations, but as we saw at the Kart tourney a few months ago, 4 player per station LAN is really laggy and items sometimes don't work, so that's not really an option.

HERE IS THE STANDING OFFER!!!!!

THE 2 TURTLE BRO'S (SAVAGE BROTHERS) WILL YOU JOIN JOHNINABOX D-REX TUB-O-LARD AMD MONKEYMAN TO FORM THE ULTIMATE CLAN?

BROS,BROS AND MORE BROS.

LAST TURNI D-REX MYSELF MONKEYMAN AND TUB-O-LARD SWEPT THE PRIZES TAKING HOME $100 SO JOIN US AND WE WILL DOMINATE THE REST.

PLZ CONSIDER OUR OFFER AND REPLY

TY,
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Submitted by TC Bad driver on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 8:24am

Yeah John I still need to tell my brother.
Good tourtament Eli. MarioKart is getting frustrating all the blue shells at the end its so hard to win unless you risk being in last the whole race. MarioKart is still fun. I was suprised by the low turnout it was nice though. Melee i think the pool system works well maybe only 1 FFA in the interest of time.

eli- 2 things 1. great job on the tourney the pools were an awesome idea and 2. i think you made a mistake on my player rating, because i have 4595 in MKDD bonuses :P. [gtlogo:BNC]

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 8:44am

eli, now that we dont have to worry about the preseason do you think you might be able to up me level?

i redid my score again for the third time and i got 13141 again not 13078 on the xp

that will be enough to put me 1 level higher.

im just worried because the brackets go by level and it will hurt me more if im 1 level below of what i should be.

and the bonuses are still wrong but that will be harder to fix.
if you have time please take some time to look at my scores

thank you.

Submitted by sergio aguinaga on Wed, 07/18/2007 - 4:08pm

where and what date are the tournaments going to be held on the game super smash brothers melee

Lain, your lack of maturity and ego still to this day never cease to amaze me. And yet, it still grows tiring.

Sorry, but this tournament series is never going to turn into the regulation Smash competition you want it to. Ever. It's not going to happen. Just because you don't want to drive as far from home to get to a competition that "means something" in the world of Smash doesn't mean you have to be a jerk about it.
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Submitted by TheKoolAidGuy on Wed, 07/18/2007 - 9:53pm

whats up guys, i havent been on here for a while. how is everyone's summer been?
so theres a preseason on saturday? that sounds good are there any major rule changes from before? I guess i'll find out forsure on saturday. and do we need a clan by then or no, because i would remember people would arrange their clans at the preseason specifically.

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bow chicka bow wow

i have maturity. ego? sure, i'll agree with you. good job on attempting to be sharp and witty in your insult. but i personally don't care about what you think of me.

this is a tournament-type thing for kids and teens. we play nintendo games for fun and prizes. it's ok to get an ego. it's ok to talk smack. get over yourself, because it's not like your opinion in people or things matters as much as you want it to.

the point i try to get across is that people who are bad at smash try to ask for FFA's to try and get around the good people or any sort of actual involvement in smash at a personal level. I understand the tournament is supposed to be less of a tournament setting and more of a friendly one, but there is still a level of play where being good and improving should matter. a level where you can't whine about certain things.

yeah i have no idea what is going on with preseason. all i know is that i am not going, and neither will cisco maybe.

i think me too, but blue monkey would you rather start a clan with me?
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Submitted by TurtlePerson2 (not verified) on Tue, 07/24/2007 - 8:22pm

-Durskis and Hibbs

Your offer is very intriguing for Bad Driver and I. We are prepared to take you up on your offer, but there are just a couple of conditions that we want. Nothing major, but just clarifications of things that I think that we both expect already.

But for right now, you can plan on the Savage Brothers joining forces with the Durski Brothers and Hibbs Brothers to harness the full power of Maplewood in an excellent clan.

"TORTURIS EXUVIAS EUNT"

have we met in any of the tournies? and what name do you go by so i can find u in the leaderboard

im not sure yet if i wanna make a clan right now or just join some other clan that still needs one more player or something

also will there still be girl in the clan bonuses?
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im not sure, im just looking for a clan. Were u at the pre-season event cause i was there and u sound familiar? Also, my name is masteraj and im not very high in the leader board cause i haven't really done anything at the library until the preseason event. I did well in smash there though winning all but 1 1v1 and getting 2nd in 3 ffa's. However i got eliminated in the elimination ffa. If you dont want to its fine, im sure i can find another clan that needs another player.

swordmaster doesn't need them. he'll get the girl in the clan bonus. daaaayaaamm.

also, when's the next smash event. it's always seemingly that whenever a library event is planned, it is on the same day as an actual tournament somewhere else. >=[

ALSO, shin, i would like a rematch, as you said you WERE open to one.

same conditions as last time.

Lain we won't be joining your clan.

Swordsmaster AJ is good at smash and ok at kart the only 1 v 1 he lost was too me. The talent level there wasn't that good smash wise.

Ok sounds good john tell us when. Im thinking Jimmy Johns for the meeting.

hey snowman im leaving tomorrow (friday) night for a week so if we want the start this clan we have to get everything ready before tomorrow night or when i come back in a week.

Also, how do u get qualified for championships cause on the leader board it says im not.

@fjw- yeah starting a clan with you sounds good, get on aim sometime soon cause i have some stuff in mind to discuss
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anyone who wants to talk to me my aim is beastlie32
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AJ don't worry about that the stat pages are from last season.

To get qualifed you must
-Get 4th or better in any event
-finish in the top 64 leaderboard

The official season starts in August

Snowman, if you get on AIM then we can talk about a new clan so we can get it ready before i leave tomarrow morning, or we can do it after i come back.

hey AJ you dont happen to be masteraj on smashboards are you?
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Submitted by Hot_ArmS on Sat, 07/28/2007 - 12:30am

whoa yes i got first dibs on a SNORKmatch with you joninabox, any specifics you want about it or just a straight up SNORKmatch?
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Submitted by d rex on Sat, 07/28/2007 - 12:31am

so what clans are in place?

my clan

turtleperson2
bad driver
d-rex
monkeyman
johninabox
tub-o-lard

(we're aiming for kart points, if you didn't notice)

so this is the mega-kart clan, what is the roster for the mega-smash clan? roysters, cisco, ect..

Me
Cisco
Shin
Omega
Limabean
???

the top 5 people in smash at the aadl.

and johninabox. are you being serious?

i'll take an applicant. you name the details.

Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Sat, 07/28/2007 - 9:35pm

wow, alot of new stuff came out about the turni.

johnny got brawl and mario galaxy all paid 4 !!!!!!!!

im gonna hold a brawl turni at my house when i get in on the 3rd of december

im in south dakota tilth 13th but ill be at round 1 ive got galaxy metroid and brawl payed for, i wont be able to post til the thirteenth

theres like nothing in south dakota except for mt. rushmore

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And believe me, there's nothing worth seeing at Mt. Rushmore. If you've seen a picture, you've officially seen all there is to see in South Dakota.
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Every summer, there is a massive motorcycle convention very near Mt Rushmore. My family went there a few years back, completely unaware of this, and happened to pick the same day as them. Getting a hotel in the area was impossible, so our hotel ended up being over an hour away, and we saw lots and lots of motorcycles all day. So if you know when to go, you can see lots of motorcycles at Mt Rushmore.

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Actually, lain's right. There's a lot of interesting stuff at Mt. Rushmore. I just remember it from when I visited as a little kid. There were no toys to play with, so, consequently, I was bored.
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Wow, Leinad, your family stumbled into [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgis_Motorcycle_Rally|Sturgis] and survived? =) That is a pretty crazy event. The question each year is not whether or not there will be fatalities, but how many fatalities there will be as compared to the statistical average.

On another note, we talked about this briefly, but I'd like to hear arguments, either for or against, 8-person clan rosters, with the understanding that there will likely not be nice prizes for all 8 clan members. What do you guys think?

Also, it seems that pools worked pretty well, but we found that the key to keeping them moving is to only do 1 pool per person so that you're not having to avoid repeating pool matchups and such. If you only get 1 smash pool and 1 kart pool, does the 2 FFA and 3 1v1 melee matches, and 4 4-player kart races per player, still sound fair? We could add another FFA into the pool mix, for example, but we really can't do multiple pools without it taking way too long.

No 8 person pools. People are struggling to form 6 person clans. Also with 8 people there isn't much of a prize. With 6 you can basicially have 2 extras for your 4 person clan. So the clan cup competitions you only need 4 but you can have 2 extras on your clan roster. So no 8 person clans.

I don't know if I like pools especially for kart.

Lets say there are 96 people in a single smash event. 32 move on. so if you "win" your pool you are moving on and than the better half of the second place people are moving on.

I just don't think a pool gives you the excact same feel as playing into 3 FFA'S with new people. I will say pools move faster and let people to jump in late and get more matches faster. So logistically pools are better but finding the top 32 to play in 1 v 1 3 FFA's are better

8 player clan: NO
melee pools: Good and Bad both ways
Kart Pools:Good and Bad both ways more bad than good in pools

Kart 4 player isn't good at all. Because you can get a star in second and than easily get first and since you only have 3 people to pass you can chill in 4th the whole time than pass everyone making "ducking" very easy to pull off.

i guess 1 pool per person is ok but if it looks like we can do 2 that would be great. i do vote for 2 pools but if we have to then 1 is ok.

6 person clans is easier. it will also be harder to keep the clan members out of races and matches with each other. and less of a final prize.

smash sounds good that worked out great!!!!! kart will be good with each person picking there own characters and pickking the stage. i like that alot.

yea 1 more ffa in smash would be even better. so i say...

Kart-
2 pools in kart (1 is ok) 2 pools(60%) 1 pool (40%) of my vote.
each person picks 1 stage. and you get to pick your characters but you gotta pick fast.
Smash-
3 ffa's 2 is ok
3 1 v 1's

only 1 pool per each event unless we do 1 pool in smash and 2 in kart or 2 in smash and 1 in kart!!!!!!

Clans-
6 person is a bigger prize for the end, and is easier to keep your clan buddys out of a race/match with eachother.

Kool people-
Johninabox
D-rex
Tub-O-Lard
Monkeyman
Turtle Person 2
Bad Driver
Even kooler people-
Johninabox
Koolest person ever alive in the history of the earth/galaxy-
Johninabox
last but not least the noobs-
(every one not listed above)

thank you for your time and plz read the passages above the kool people stuff that is important and the kool people stuff is not i was just really bored and need something to do for 5 min.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, well, what did you guys think about the 8-player matches on 2 gamecubes? Which is worse, the lag and item misbehavior of a 8-player 2-station lan race, or 4-player pools?

I never played 2-cube 8-player but I had no problem with the 4-player pools, I found them pretty easy, simple and efficient

so my vote is for 4-player pools

this is monkeyman on my bros account
i think we should get 8 person clans, but only top four score, including prizes, but the prizes cant be to big or the clanmates will get jealous, say $25 a peice, and of course the clan cup trophy, 8 person clans would be easier 4 clan races smash battles and practicing. the way I see it evry 1 elses arument is just 6 person clans are a nicer size, and stuff like that, so take in to concideration my points plz eli.

I would like 8 player lan mode even if it is real laggy and you can screen watch half the race it is MUCH better than a 4 player race. Part of the appeal of these tourtaments to me is the chaos filled 8 player kart races. Im not saying i wouldn't come if they weren't there. The point is that i cant play an 8 player race at home i can play a 4 player race.
So I think I'd go with 8 player pools.

I do remember the lag. What item misbehavior?

the item misbehavior was the fact that Bowser shells, blue shells and bombs didn't make you drop your items on direct hits. I think lightning still did but can't remember. So people that hold onto items have no worries about losing them.

I know 8 player races are where it's at but it's just not that great on two gamecubes. I would still expect 8 player 4 cube Lans to be in the elimination rounds.

omega-dang, 136 new comments while i was gone. My computer doesn't work so i haven't had the chance to post anything. Im not going to read 136 postings so can someone explain what that 136 comments was trying to explain.

Well that sounds bad and is unacceptable. Eli why can't we have 4 cubes 8 player quals. If that isn't possible i guess 4 player poos but if some one doesn't show than it is 3 person races. Which means you chill in 2 nd the whole race or get such a lead where there is no competition.

ok swordmaster that sounds good

ive been gone for a week, so i havent been on AIM, actually, I don't use AIM that much anymore, Swordmaster. do you have Gmail? I usually use the built in chat thing on Gmail, I'm always there on that

some 1 talk about the turni, ive been bored out of my mind....

i need soemthing to do on the com.

lets get talking!!!!!

rotflmaobbq, j00 play pokemans, j00 r such a nerrrrd.

Actually, I'm kidding. If I had access to Wi-Fi around my hizzouse, I would totally play you in teh pokemans.
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looks like no 1 else is argueing any more...

so eli we gonna call it quits 4 the loosing team????

or is this still going on....

also when will the arguement be over? and who is winning?

ps this is about clans... pools.... and ect.....

Submitted by Hot_ArmS on Mon, 08/06/2007 - 2:32am

in the 1v1's for smash if both players agree to play without items can they? or ffa even if they all agree
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Submitted by johninabox (not verified) on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 8:17am

tp2 and bad driver i am glad to be informed that you have considered our offer and accepted.

we will talk about the conditions within all 6 of the clan mates.

also i will need to talk to you more about us being sponsered i will need to know acouple details so i can get that specific stuff for you as well as the hibbs and tub-o-lard and myself.

we will have a clan meeting soon.

johninabox thanks you. as well as the clan.

Submitted by chily17 on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 4:25pm

i love super smash bros!!! i haven't played it for a while tho! i would like to enter the tournament....!

Submitted by EvilBusDriver on Mon, 08/06/2007 - 8:07pm

Hello all! *puts arms out in a presenting manner*
I am nearly done working at this crappy camp and will be attending the tournaments this season. I am in need of a clan. I believe I was going to be in Pocket Rockets, but I am not entirely sure about this anymore. Though it's good to see everyone again.

[gtlogo:RED]

kk this is gonna be it

6 person clans bro's bro's and more bro's of maplewood...

8 person clans bro's of maplewood...

i vote 6 person clans.
and pools 4 kart.
pools 4 smash. 3 ffa if possable. 3 1v1's
and if it is ok 2 pools 4 kart or smash.

hey everyone, im looking for someone to practice smash with cause im better then all of my friends so if anyone lives near forsythe middle school or around downtown area if your interested say something and we can hopefully work something out.

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