Season 4 Ideas: Player Ratings

Fri, 04/27/2007 - 1:27am by eli

OK, the off-season plods on. While we eagerly await the All Ages Mario Kart tournament coming up Friday Night, May 25th, let's talk about another new GT feature we discussed back at the planning meeting that EJK and I have been talking about: Player Ratings. The idea is to provide a quick, uniform way to tell both overall and game-specific skill and achievements. Read on to check it out.

So, skill rating would essentially be the player's win percentage, including non 1st place finishes, expressed as out of 10000. So, someone who finished first in every match would have a skill score of 10000, and someone who finished last in every match (because last place usually gets 1/10 the points of first) would have a skill score of 1000.

In addition to that, we're going to pull out event-winning bonuses into a separate column. The skill plus the bonuses equals the rating, and that goes for each game as well as overall. Check out this mockup of [gtplayer:143]'s career rating grid, based on real data:

'Other' is mostly surprise games from season 2. This doesn't yet take into effect any team scores. I think you would be able to view this for each season and career, and you'd be able to click on the achievements to see what they were for.

What do you guys think? Does that approach sound good? Do TP2's numbers look sufficently descriptive? I think I'll have EJK whip up a rating grid generator so that you can all find your grids and start complaining about how they fail to capture how awesome you are. =)

Let me know what you think. We've got some big things coming... so stay tuned!

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sweeeet, and big things

sweeeet, and big things coming??? heck yeah!
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if mine doesn't say 5

if mine doesn't say 5 million then it's wrong.

and, so for seeding or whatever, are we using last year's rankings?
well, i guess we'd have to...

but, alas, i feel we'd need SOME kart talent to balance out our god like smash skills. if you place in the top 8 (or whatever) of this kart tournament, we'll then look at your kart record and if you're just an amazing god of kart, you're in (if you choose to of course). you really don't have to have any smash skill at all. we're just looking for kart.

uh so yeah. i mean Pocket Rockets ; ) won last year with EASE (kart you can tell we did not care about), and we got seeded as first every round. so the choice is obvious.

a decision won't really be made until POSSIBLY this kart tournament.

Some more tweaking

that is officially one of

that is officially one of the coolest things EVER

So if we get enough

So if we get enough experience points we level up???

And if we level up enough do we evolve???

I've been playing too much Pokemon Pearl (am fighting Champion now)...

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Sounds really cool. For the

Sounds really cool. For the kart tourney what sort of rules are we going to have?

OH MAN, XP and Levels is a

i saw drex at the track meet

i saw drex at the track meet today
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I saw no one at the regatta

I saw no one at the regatta today

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Sounds good. I don't think

Sounds good. I don't think DDR tourneys and open play should be thrown in. That'd be like throwing in Tiger Woods playing with his friend and playing on a PGA sanctioned event. Also i think people should have a rating that goes up and down based on how u do. So if you win every match you will have a 10 and if you lose every match you will have a 1. I like the first person to reach the ranks get to name them but maybe you should make them higher considering Tp2 has already reached the top level. Also you should be able to look at someones season rating from previous seasons and career rating. So you could compare maybe someone who has been playing for 4 seasons and someone who has been playing for 2.

hey hey hey, i like the

hey hey hey,

i like the idea of levels but how high will the levels go and what importance do they have?

ex: top 10 leveled people get a bonus or play a match for a bonus

the pools is a good idea

the pools is a good idea but we have to make sure that each time we do a diffrent pool try not to stick the same people with each other

(unless you wanna stick me with some noobs like...i dont know...too early to make other peeps mad at me.)

some of you lucked out ... you know who are

my brother was at the

my brother was at the reggata
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AHHHHHHHHHH I FORGOT THE

AHHHHHHHHHH I FORGOT THE WORD ....YOU... IN MY LAST POST you know where it goes

i'll mm anyone with almost

i'll mm anyone with almost anyone--true story.

i really only consider MAYBE the roysters to be of any merit. but i haven't played them in a long while so we'll see if they've gotten better. i'm fully confident that a 3 stocking would in order though.

where does the skill part

where does the skill part come from? Because I know that TP2 should have a higher skill in kart compared to melee.Also, do team events count for this? I bet that I have the most XP/ games played out of everyone

Skill is the amount of

Skill is the amount of points you have earned. If i am right. it is much easier to earn points in melee

Two things... Question: Will

Two things...

Question: Will the ranking system include information for season 1?

Opinion and Clarification: I think that the idea of a ranking for kart and melee individually in addition to a ranking in the GT overall is great. I think that there has to be a weighting for that to work because I have more than twice as many melee wins as kart wins so I think that if the two separate ranks were to be comparable then the system would have to value a kart win more. No one has even 20 kart wins, but many people have above 40 melee wins.

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never mind about the skill

never mind about the skill thing, I didn't read the description.
BD is right, It's eaier to have a higher skill rating for melee
wieghting is a good Idea because nobody has more than 18 wins in kart(That's how many I have, Although I would have 20 if the 3 kart wins I had in the grands counted)

look at it this way everyone

look at it this way everyone gets 2 kart quals and up to 3 elimniations that is 20 a season so if someone wanted 20 wins over season 2 and 3 they would need to win half their matches and advance to the final race every tourney. A nearly impossible feat.
For melee everyone gets 3 qualifers and up to 7 elimniations that is 10 matches a tourney and 40 a season TWICE! as many. And melee there are half as many people in each match and only one on ones in the finals.

Take into consideriation that some of those melee wins are coming from melee only tourneys

if ANYONE thinks kart takes

if ANYONE thinks kart takes more skill then melee, then:

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Drex I'd like to contest you

Drex I'd like to contest you on your statement "I bet that I have the most XP/ games played out of everyone". Although it's either a member from your clan Miniblin or myself since we are the only ones that have consistently attended all 3 seasons. If other tournaments (DDR, retro) count (as an overall gaming rating), than I have it since I've attended more non-season events than most anyone else (Eli might have me beat). If it's just season ratings than it's hard to tell; you most likely have me beat since I think you've been to every event and I have missed one.

I love the idea of player ratings and exp. I don't know if just giving everyone 10 points for every match is the best idea, you might just give a 10th of points accumulated (so you get 10pts for 1st, 1pt for 8th) across seasons. With or without bonuses, most likely without. But we definitely need to make the ranks more RPG game like. Like 0-10 Goblin, 10-15 Lackey, 15-20 Territorial Oak, 20-25 Dragon, 25-30 Miniboss, 35-40 Boss, 40-50 Final boss, 50-60 Final boss 2nd form, 60-70 Secret boss that is infinitely stronger than the final boss.

srry but if we added up all

srry but if we added up all the points then D-rex would definately take the cake.

i plan to buy pokemon

i plan to buy pokemon stadium and smb brawl for the wii when it comes out so any1 else who would like to play me when they come out just talk to me now or when the games come out?

ps: if you have a wii that can go online please send me your wii # so i can send you emails over the wii

i've attended like...7 or 8

i've attended like...7 or 8 ddr tournaments i believe (and won all but one).

i've attended the most everything i believe. haha.

I have more points, while

I have more points, while attending less tournaments than D-Rex, and I'll bet that there are others who are doing better than myself in terms of wins/matches played.

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I won't argue about points

I won't argue about points earned, you win there but I will say a VERY large number comes from team kart. I'm guessing that Since the begining of season 2 I have been in the most matches = xp. Also I belive that at the beginning of next year the durski bros will be the only people who have been to every regular season tournament, all three seasons. impresive considering that Alex is not even in high school.

without the 2000 points from team kart bounuses alone(not counting wins)=12place 1000 points behind me

but you're still the 2nd best kart player

idk duck i have been to

idk duck i have been to almost all open play this and last season,retro tourny,and most ddr's

and jonin abox my wii code is 6291361121603579 and anyone else can use just tell me first so i can add u 2

You didn't attend season 1

You didn't attend season 1 did you limabean/lain. Also I'm not really counting open plays since they aren't really tournaments and for the most part aren't recorded.

Huron DDR tournament-- good

Huron DDR tournament-- good idea indeed

i'd win it

So long as we have foam

So long as we have foam pads, I'd give you a run for your money...

Burning Heat + Xepher = Best songs ever

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o i thought u was just

o i thought u was just talking about openplays

hahahaha. i am too good in

hahahaha. i am too good in ddr. some might call me... the ddr king

although i don't know how proud i'd be of that title

wow no posts for 3 days...

That's like winning free

That's like winning free drinks for a night at a gay bar, Will.

But then again that'd be great for you, wouldn't it?

huh huh huh got'em

I don't think I have the most wins in melee, or the highest ranking, but I do think I'm the best at it. I don't know how long it's been since the Roysters played, but I know Will got a lot better since the last time he played them, and the last time he played them he beat Shin. Then again Omega was better, but the issue with their player experience (different viable people they've played) is a lot worse than Will's now, so I think Will would probably win.

And I think I'd take all of them to the cleaners FC.

free drinks at a gay bar?!

free drinks at a gay bar?! hot damn i'm there!

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i think if shin or omega beat me i'd just kill myself

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i think if ANYONE beat me from the aadl i'd just kull myself. except you cisco of course. >=[

I'd be ashamed if anyone at

I'd be ashamed if anyone at aadl took a stock off of me

except for Cisco and Lain of course :]

so what would you feel like

so what would you feel like when i 4 stock you?
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well it wouldn't happen so

well it wouldn't happen so that's really out of the question

you could probably 4 stock a level 3 comp. but that's cool i guess.

Lol, well here's how I see

Lol, well here's how I see it

I can 4-stock a level 1 computer at 5%
then I can 4-stock Rainier at 0%

lol a lvl 1 damages you

lol a lvl 1 damages you 5%???
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damages you more

damages you more <_<

haha. rainier i can't

haha.

rainier i can't waaaaiiittt to destroy you.

oh fun stuff

does anyone know if open play or whatever for smash will be alright at the kart tournament??

oh yeah and i just got me some pokemans. good stuff

lol nishant i beat u once

Eli!!! Pokemon Diamond/Pearl

Eli!!!

Pokemon Diamond/Pearl tourney = when????

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ummm FjW... you never played

ummm FjW...

you never played me >_>

and Juggleguy only beat me (johns ahead!) because on the last stock he got lucky and tippered me. I couldn't jump and i used parasol where he got a nice edgehog. I was winning that battle easily.

and it was my first battle of the day...

i dont know about that

yeah nishant, come back for

yeah nishant, come back for pre season so we see what youve got
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there HAS to be a place to

there HAS to be a place to play you swordmaster.

getting my $5 after like 3 months of smack talk from you and the fact that our match is a "no johns; who is better" set in stone match makes it even juicier.

does the mkdd tournament

does the mkdd tournament have smash open play??
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hopefully

lolol FjW, crushing

lolol

FjW, crushing me?!?

Nah

Ask the real judge...

where's that mexican...?

i hate to break it to you

i hate to break it to you all but after the next seasin ill be in the top 2 soo what ever you have planed with your top 10 or top 5 pics for the end of the season make sure to put me 2nd or first.

peace out noob nubs

whose

whose first?
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If only you could play

If only you could play smash, johninabox, you'd be great <_< :P

whose coming to the mario

whose coming to the mario kart turny on friday?
I have a feeling that its going to be like a all-star event

lol johninabox's kirby lost

lol johninabox's kirby lost to my brothers mario
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im coming to the friday

im coming to the friday mabobber

seriously everyone sucks at

seriously everyone sucks at smash

I think i will be there dont

I think i will be there dont know if i am going
what is the rule set?

first off 1st place will be

first off 1st place will be who evere thinks they will win.(my past records show i dont got a good chance to b 1st but i think im over due for at least 2nd :) )

2nd - ill be at the mario kart on friday i got a good feeling that d-rex will win that !!!

3rd - (this 1 is for eli) i know that drums and others are banned form the season but... will it be okay if i brought in a smoke machine... a leafblower with streamers tied to it.

it would just be so our clan make make the most ballin entrance ever!!!!!!!!

i got soo good at smash i

i got soo good at smash i just gotta listen to some Red Hot Chili Peppers when i play
and kirby pwns all i dare you to challange me

-_- johninabox i really hope

-_- johninabox i really hope you're joking

if you're not, then i challenge you. : )

btw eli for the love of god in team tournament please turn ON team attack.

also, i might not be able to go to the kart tournament to own swordmaster and others at smash open play. i might, but i don't really know for certain.

uhh what time is the mkdd

uhh what time is the mkdd tournament exactly
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John is not kidding i saw

John is not kidding i saw him with the leaf blower

I could bring mine,

I could bring mine, too...

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i be at friday

im not kidding this is 4

im not kidding this is 4 real i wanna bring it in and make our new clan look kool

(get it ... look kool ... ) it is the same back and forth

the funny thing is i'm the

the funny thing is i'm the only one who actually looks cool at the aadl.

: )

Kids, don't smoke

Kids, don't smoke Kools.

They're Slook backwards.

Absolutely disgusting.

look and kool, switch it

look and kool, switch it around and you get the same thing

hahahaha. can i smoke

hahahaha.

can i smoke american spirits, cause you know, those are stirips nacirema. which sort of sounds/looks like strippers' macarena. and we all know that's pretty hot.

Well i havent played MKDD

Well i havent played MKDD forever. What is the format for tommorows tourney?

idk but everybody come to

idk but everybody come to the thing tomarow and saturday so i can play u at smash

theres smash open play on

theres smash open play on saturday too?
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OK guys, there will NOT be

OK guys, there will NOT be smash open play tonight at the Kart tournament, unless turnout is really low, but there will be plenty of open smash play tomorrow (saturday) during the wii sports tourney (which is for all teams, not just parent/child) from 1-4.

Ballooneater, we are doing Pokemondays in late june / early july through the summer, but we'll be sticking with the GBA versions for this round to give people time to move to Diamond & Pearl. (I'm 11 hours in on Diamond, but I only have two badges). We will probably do our first pokemon battle revolution tournaments using diamond and pearl in the fall. However, I expect that there will be scads of informal diamond / pearl going on at all of our upcoming events.

See you guys tonight! We'll be doing pools of 8 players, 4 races each; ideally, everyone should get 2 pools, with the top 16 or 32 moving on.

Also, I have some more ideas about player ratings and XP... so stay tuned!

[:eli]

Aw man, I'm missing the

Aw man, I'm missing the pokemon tournies :(

I just perfected my EV-trained team too :(

Are hacked Pokemon

Are hacked Pokemon legal???

I got me a Registeel with 999 on all stats

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For wifi play...no if you

For wifi play...no

if you use that Registeel on wifi, you will be shunned for life :P

I r teh pokeman master

Ok overall tourney tonight

Ok overall tourney tonight was good. I like the pool idea. That might be very hard to pull off in a short time period and the 4 person a t.v. and 2 stations was horrible lag. Also i think for a pool it should be the top2 from the pool or top 4 so there is some concept of winning your pool

i have diamond on my pc does

i have diamond on my pc does that count :p
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TC bad driver no one cares

TC bad driver no one cares about kart tv lag. hahaha.

smash lag, that's death. if it's off by a few frames you can say good bye to playing a lot of tech in general.

lame, my dad was too lazy to

lame, my dad was too lazy to drive me
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No cash GBA

No cash GBA emulator
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some how i got third at both

some how i got third at both tournaments

newer version of no cash can

newer version of no cash can play ds games
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somebody should pokemon

somebody should pokemon battle me over wifi :o

I have an annoying Skarmory with Whirlwind, Stealth Rock, Spikes, and Roost

yayy <_<

it's called no$gba and yes,

it's called no$gba and yes, it is for DS games...

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sigh. bored.

sigh.

bored.

i lost my pokemon blue in

i lost my pokemon blue in like third grade so i just gave up then

i just bought mario kart

i just bought mario kart with my winnings from friday and saturday

shoulda bought a game for

shoulda bought a game for the wii
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ill pokemon stadium you when

ill pokemon stadium you when it comes out 4 the wii (mdidget)

100th comment.

100th comment. w00t.
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somehow i just automatically

somehow i just automatically knew someone would say that. -_-

on a side note, i'm actually going to be a LITTLE sad playing at the aadl.

people are going to be so easy at smash it's going to be sad. maybe you guys should try and practice with NOT lvl 9 computers, huh? right now me and cisco are really the only two good players, so let's try and get some competition eh?

I wish I could move back to

I wish I could move back to Ann Arbor :(

But I have 30 eevees, so if anyone wants one, just ask

hey im pretty good and haja

hey im pretty good and haja is better than me

whose

whose haja
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eli is it ok for my clan

eli is it ok for my clan entrance idea? (see my post on monday Mon, 05/21/2007 - 9:53pm. )

oh really...... well shin

oh really...... well shin never plays anyone for real except when he is in the tourament. Me on the other hand (omega) play people seriously all the time to keep my rep up so people don't think they can beat me. If you want a real match tell will to come to omega next time. I was better then shin last year because I played falco and he only played shiek. Now we both play falco, fox, and shiek and we've been on smash boards lately so we know what were doing.

heh. hey shin and omega how

heh. hey shin and omega how about me joining your clan? i guarantee 2nd place finishings at every singles event (damn cisco), and 1st in teams if i team with cisco.

also shin and omega, i gotta play you guys again. i would love to see how you guys are now.

btw swordmaster: OMFG YOU BEAT SOMEONE WHO WAS SORT OF NUBBY'S SPACE ANIMAL WITH JIGGS?! WOW YOU"RE SO GOOD.

btw that match is really bad. i'm seriously like 10x better then that now.

Omega- WAH is

Omega- WAH is died...died...died. And guest who killed it in the grand championships. Who quote these words. "Get the royster We can't let the Wii go to Kalamazoo. I won't be forgetting that for a long time. Anyways for the people that are on WAH I'm comming after you guys with no mercy for siding with that trader. Oh and WAH in nowhere near as HARD as it was last year. I'm still not sure it's even hard at all because from the people that are in your clan you wont be pulling in much points from ssbm so don't expect to be in the clan battles that often. ha ha ha ha ha. WAH is part of the past now. It had its time to live and all great things must come to an end. Your choice in the past will be your defeat your in the future. You think your so good just because you won by luck. It was a fluke. I guess you can say WAH will be incomplete this year. I bet Me and shin will have almost equal points this year by are selfs then your whole clan does. Alright then have fun with that wii FGW.

Omega- Swordmaster when we

Omega- Swordmaster when we played I sd. Although I still have to give credit where credit is due. Anyways I highly dout you will beat me in a ditto with falco because since last year I have a whole you bag of tricks to unleash on my victums. Good luck though. Last time I played falco with cicso I beat him but it was close so next time we play I hope to two stock him.

i remember you sd'ing at the

i remember you sd'ing at the very first time i played u in aug back when you were "the destroyer" but i dont remember you sd'ing at grands, whatever though i dont doubt youve gotten better and that youd beat me in a falco ditto but i just wanna test my falco with someone good who doesnt sandbag *cough* cisco *cough*
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Johninabox your a complete

Johninabox your a complete idiot if you are going to be in fjw's clan. He killed you on perpose just to get the wii. If you would be a trader towards your friends oven something like that you don't need a clan. If you stay on his teem all your going to get is another T-shirt

"If you stay on his teem all

"If you stay on his teem all your going to get is another T-shirt"

lol disssss

shin and omega whats your username in smashboards?
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what do you hope to

what do you hope to accomplish in smash FJW? your clan is a bunch of smash scrubs. hahahahahahaha. and no one super amazing at kart either. quite bland if you ask me.

but omega and shin, what would you say to me joining you? i could come by and beat both of you if you want assurance of my skills. =]

omega- Lain I'll see if your

omega- Lain I'll see if your good enough to be in our clan on july 30,07. Make sure you come to the tournament. If you can bring me down to one stock in a ditto with falco then I will assure u a spot on our clan. Oh yeah you have to be good at kart to so if you don't own it you should by it.

this is the clan I want to

this is the clan I want to have so if your on the list please anwswer

1.omega
2.shin
3.cisco
4.Turtle person 2
5. any other person that turtle person wants to bring along
6. ?????????????????(are u good enough)

Remember that you need to be good at kart and ssbm so we can have the ultimate clan

yea seriously its a

yea seriously its a tournament and u gota do wat it takes to win, its like survivor you cant depend on your alliences because they could turn on u at any time and thats compeatly legal

Too...much...eDrama!!!!!!!! q

Too...much...eDrama!!!!!!!!

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jep

"Too...much...eDrama!!!!!!!!"

I was reading all the posts and was thinking to myself, I have to type this.

you beat me to it :(

.....Oh so I guess 3v1 is

.....Oh so I guess 3v1 is every man for himself. I was only being a good sport because I didn't want to get in trouble from eli. I was so mad I wanted to smack the $#@$ out of you. And though we were'nt good friends being in the same clan as one another should make you something close to that. Well that's what I thought at least. Anyways when I talked to TP2 personally about being in our clan he said he would think about it before making suck a big dicition. Teamming up on a person in your own clan that helped you get their shows that you are just a selfish basterd. You and shin were on teams in single player kart in the grand championships and he let you take 1st so you could get through to the next round, But when I was in the finals with you, you side with the other team. That shows how trust worthy you are. I dicided violence wasn't the answer so I think I will just own you in the next season

FJW-you know, Omega, last

FJW-you know, Omega, last year, I made a mistake adding you two to my clan, since you guys aren't really my friends in real life.

omega-...... Last time I checked adding us to your clan was the best choice you ever made. If you didn't have us WAH wouldn't even have been none. It would have just been another clan doing nothing but a little bit of mario cart. This year your clan will only be good at mario kart and that sucks because kart is just a bunch of luck. You and your clan are just their for the beating. Also in the final race for mario kart shin was in it and took 5th so he got out. Oh and your not so good In kart you just had more experience last year. This year it's going to be a whole new story because the roysters will start out good at kart and ssbm.

Shin and Omega, if Bad

Shin and Omega, if Bad Driver and I join with you two and Cisco, we will most likely have the most points for the clan cup, however if the format is the same as last year, I don't think it'd be very advantageous.

Basically, two factors affect our decision. First of all, the format is similar to last year's where the only way to win prizes with clans is to win the surprise game, I think that TC might stick together. The Turtle Clan had a couple of people who were great at adapting to new games and it helped us when we got to surprise rounds. Also, if the prizes are more significant, we are more likely to join with you two and Cisco. From what I understand, the prizes might be bigger this year for clan cups. If the prizes are insignificant, I'd rather just stick with Turtle Clan, but if the prizes are a lot bigger, it'd make a lot of sense for all of us to join together.

In conclusion, Bad Driver and I will have our answer when the clan rules are announced.

Also, FJW what you did at the grands isn't morally wrong. It's unethical.

"TORTURIS EXUVIAS EUNT"

shin- this is sooooo good i

shin- this is sooooo good i love it how FJW says we never should have joined his clan but u were the one begging us to join, honestly just think 4 a sec would WRH even be HARD with out us? and on top of that when did friendship win games SO STOP WITH THAT CRAP. I see now what your tryin to do your trying to make us look bad so everybody can ignore the fact that you cheated my bro out LAST TIME I REMEMBER WE WERE ALL FREINDS BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO MAKE IT 1vs3. I'm just tryin to say if FJW would betray one the best people in the game that was on HIS so called clan he's going to try to do it again SO WAH MEMBERS JUST BE PREPARED K BECAUSE FJW CLAIMS TO GET ANYTHING HE WANTS AT ANY PRICE :)

lol earlier post: suck a big

lol earlier post: suck a big decition

maybe i dont want to suck a

maybe i dont want to suck a decition

First off since my brother

First off since my brother spoke for me i will agree with him.
I also was a victim of a 3 v 1 that knocked me out of the round of 8. What did you want them to do your little everyone get second or just sit there and pick the dandelions. I really think clan afilation shouldn't be considered in single player matches. I am not saying i am innocence and have never teamed up with someone and i am not saying i never will. What i am trying to say is people arent perfect and a clan isn't a pact that carries over to single player and team events.
I don't think Shin and Omega can call FJW a dishonest unethical player and FJW i dont think you can say you are restoring the repuatation of your clan by getting rid of the Roysters and adding John? So my hat off to you FJW to making your clan a group of your friends again, but i dont think you can point any fingers at the roysters for dishonest play when you are just as guilty as they are.

Well that is my 2 cents

omega-......your half right

omega-......your half right I think bad driver because when me and shin let every one get second and one of us get first it was because we were in the same clan. Also we didn't come up with that idea our opponents did because if they didn't do so then they would have gotten 3rd and 4th because we would have ganged up on them. Now hears where your wrong. We teammed up on people who weren't in our clan but FGW ganged up on me and I WAS IN HIS CLAN. He is the one who even suggested to do such a thing to his own teamate. When that final round came up I thought it would be me and FGW vs the other two guys from bro's and co'.(SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TWO ON TWO RATHER THEN THREE ON ONE). I mean imagine if Tru Dog did the same thing to you in the finals that FGW did to me. I think you would say the same thing that I am saying. To turn on your own clan member (one of the most imortant ones) in the grand championships just so you could win a wii is unjustifiable no matter what you say. I was so shocked that my own teammate would do such a thing that I will continue to dislike him and hold him accountable for his actions.

I see what you are saying,

I see what you are saying, but a clan in my opinon isn't a pact that means you always team up in single player matches. There is a reason it is a SINGLE player match. Also since you guys don't know eachother outside of the tourtament, but john FJW were good friends and they both knew doomblaze well. So they cant all split first and they would rather have the Wii in the hands of FJW than you because they can play it if FJW has it. That is aside from the point. Again i think you misunderstood the meaning of the clan. A clan isn't an alliance it is a group of people that compete in the clan competitions outside of the clan comptetions a clan is nothing

omega-Well I kinda thought

omega-Well I kinda thought we were friends anyways. I guess I was wrong but now at least I know. Before the grand chapionships in single player our clan usually helped each other out but i guess it was just an illusion to trick me into thinking we were more then just in the same clan. If what your saying is true then basiclly he used me to get what he want. Just like a broken sword now he is trying to set me aside and replace me. But the truth is I'm so far from broken it doesn't make sense. Last year I was a rookie so what could you excpect for me to think. How could I know all of this. Unfortunately i had to learn the hard way but in exchange I learned a valuable lesson. You can never be sure what people will do to get what they want. Of course there is only a .000000001% chance that fjw will win again unless he got a whole lot better because this season he's going to have to dodge me through the whole thing. P.S- REVENGE IS SO SWEEEEEEET. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The fall of WAH is so close I can smell it.

just stop arguing since the

just stop arguing since the usual suspects will be the best clan............

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worst post of the entire

worst post of the entire blog? ^^^

Ok, let me weigh in here and

Ok, let me weigh in here and attempt to settle this a bit. First, when FJW recruited the Roysters into WAH, he was recognizing their amazing skill in melee, and did a very classy thing in reaching out to invite them to join his clan, even though it was in his own interest. As the season progressed, I saw some real bonds of friendship forming as WAH continued to find success, and I thought it was great. <a href="http://www.aadl.org/node/2873#comment-7926" title="FJW: 'Phil and Will Royster, MY NEW FRIENDS'">FJW himself proudly declared Phil and Will his new friends.</a> To see social connections get made outside of people's normal circles is one of the reasons we started this whole thing.

FJW bringing the Roysters into WAH showed a lot of savvy class. WAH was doing great, and it only makes sense that they would all become friends in the process, and that those friendships would be real ones for all involved.

After the grand championship, it became clear that FJW and Shin and Omega had different ideas about what that clan relationship meant. FJW sided with his old friends instead of his new ones, to his own benefit, and Omega came so close to winning the Wii, only to be ganged up on by someone who he thought was his friend. The iPod he won was little consolation, especially since he had been betrayed (and double especially since he should have picked the DS =).

All these are understandable actions and emotions. FJW saw a way to get what he wanted, and realized that Omega was more of a threat than an ally, turned on his clanmate, and it worked for him. Doomblaze and JohninaBox saw a way to help their friend win and did what they could. Omega almost went home with a Wii, and instead went home with the realization that someone who he thought was his friend actually wasn't.

That sucks.

As TP2 pointed out, FJW's actions were not exactly unethical. But it was pretty SNORKy to turncoat at the last minute, and frankly, while it's certainly not against any rules, it is not good sportsmanship to do anything other than your absolute personal best in the final match of an entire season. Part of the cause of this was the value and rarity of the grand prize; part of it was the fact that the clan season was technically over with the completion of the clan cup, making everybody's thoughts a little more mercenary; and part of it was that the final award was based on several matches instead of a single match or bracket, which encouraged this sort of gamesmanship.

Some of those issues I'll address as I formulate this year's Grand Championship format; others won't crop up again as some lessons have been learned; and perhaps part of this we're stuck with, being a competition and all.

However, just because it's a competitive environment, and getting more competitive each season, doesn't mean that I don't expect all of you to show a high level of class, professionalism, and good sportsmanship. This incident hasn't changed that, although it raises lots of questions, some we can answer, and some we can't. Did FJW employ shifting alliances and smart tactics to win? Absolutely. Did he ruin some positive relationships and change his overall reputation for the worse in the process? I think so. Is that who he wants to be? I hope not.

Were the Roysters suddenly dropped by their friend when a Wii was on the line? Definitely. Had they manipulated matches themselves? Certainly. Are they justified to be SNORKed off at FJW? Sure. Was the whole thing a set-up? No way.

Then there are the questions that only the 2007 season can answer. Can the Roysters put this incident behind them and outclass their opponents? Will they build an untouchable superclan and dominate the season? Has FJW created his own most powerful adversaries? Can FJW redeem himself as a trustworthy and sportsmanlike competitor? And what changes might Eli impose in the aftermath?

Only time will tell. However, I know that I can count of all you to be the professionals that you are and make the 2007 season the most intense yet. Rivalries can be good things when they don't get out of hand. You're not going to let that happen, and neither will I. We're gamers; we will settle this with our thumbs.

Stay tuned for full details for the 2007 season.

[:eli]

omega- I see you've been

omega- I see you've been listening to this drama to eli but you are absolutely right in what you are saying. I am sure this season will be a whole new adventure. Anyways please make the clan championchip prices bigger. I mean $10 is'nt anything compared to a wii, an ipod, or a DS. Oh and there will be some serious rivalries alright. This will be the greatest chapter in aadl gt history. You can count on it. I was thinking with all this drama going on you should make a movie or a book about it. That'd be so cool. Oh and I cut my hair. Also I'm going to change my name to CyberOmega X because it sounds cooler. You thought we had an unstopable power house then well that is going to be nothing compared to what we are going to have this year.(if we can get the people we want)We will make aadl gt history for the most powerful, destructive, and genius can to ever be made. And just a tip I took the ipod because I already had two DS's. Yes your right we settle things with our thumbs and boy did god give me a good fast pair of those.

omega- if your going to be

omega- if your going to be in our clan then we have to become good friends during the process of the season. Believe me it will be for the good of everyone. We will help each other in single players and that way we will never break into pieces like WAH. That's the type of clan I want. Now that's a real team

omega: i don't really feel

omega:

i don't really feel comfortable playing in a falco ditto. i hate that match up. maybe we could play a best of 3 or 5 or something. counterpicks and all.

not to say i wouldn't beat you in a falco ditto. i just get really aggravated playing in those.

omega-if what you say is

omega-if what you say is true about yourself, and cisco joins our team then you being in our clan will be just fine. Also the most I play people in a row is twice because people seem to customise to my playing style in order to beat me. For example, I beat cisco three times in a row in falco ditto's but when we played in the tournament he knew what I was going to do so he ended up winning. Oh and I am still not sure who you are! Aren't you that guy from nexons back with the blue hair, that is really good at ddr. If your not then I have no clue who you are. Oh remember our clan rules because we want our clan to last for a long time. Clan members are teammates, friends and should be trust worthy. This way what happenned last year will not happen again. Well at least not to me! Get in contact with cisco so we can figure out what he wants to do becuase last year he said he would like to be in our clan but two days ago I read a comment and he said he didn't want to be in a clan. WHADASNORXUP up with that?

[snorked by eli, sorry omega]

so omegas got all tech and

so omegas got all tech and no mindgames.........we've got our own bombsoldier/shiz!!

oh and lol at snork

edit: someone get me a copy of last seasons dvd
2nd edit: "For example, I beat cisco three times in a row in falco ditto's but when we played in the tournament he knew what I was going to do so he ended up winning."

thats most likely just him sandbagging
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omega-when me and cisco play

omega-when me and cisco play we always play seriously. And yes I have leard alot of new tech but i do need to kinda work on my mindgames.....shiz is alot better then bombsoldier to me and i play more like bombsoldier then shiz. I mean shiz can shine as many times as he wants and I can only double shine every so often.

Good way to come clean FJW.

Good way to come clean FJW. I think the Roysters caln will easily be in the top and with their 4 primaries right now they could even be the top. Who they get for the next 2 will see whether they are THE top. All you need is melee to win an accumulative clan cup. That is why the pocket rockets won because the clan cup favored a melee clan over mariokart clan. As the regular season caln cup in my opinon was fair not the worst at kart and not the worst at melee and you are in the finals.

omega yeah i was the guy in

omega yeah i was the guy in NIXON'S BAAAAACK with blue hair. our clan ended up winning the clan cup FJW sooooo you can talk about how great you clan was and all but i have the trophy. hahahaha.

also omega:

well if you don't play people more then twice in a row we can play a best of three. i guarantee i'd beat you in the first two games. :D

not to sound cocky, but i can't imagine losing. i've gone to a lot more tournaments then you guys and have played with a lot more people.

but we'll just have to see eh?

omega-lain if i recall right

omega-lain if i recall right you have never beaten me in single player smash so don't get over confident on me now. Just because you got better does'nt mean I got worst. To tell the truth compared to what I was last year I could two stock myself. I've really increase in my tech level. yes you might have a good chance of beating me if you counterpick me but not in a ditto. To be exact I'll play falco once and any ditto you want twice to show you that the old omega(that was never defeated by you) is still one or two steps ahead of you. Yeah you might have been in more tournaments then me and that might give you more experience then I but that does'nt always make you better. You have to remember who your trying to compare yourself to. I am no every day push over no matter what you say so even if you do beat me it won't be by alot. You must have gotten alot better because your CF wasn't all that great, I looked at your falco on a video and it wan't anything special, and I know your peach is just going to spot dodge and the down smash. Seems like someone is a little over confident. Anyways no matter how it goes we still will be in the same clan so it doesn't matter. Only time will tell so lets leave the talking alone and let our thumbs settle this in july.

this is to tp2 and tru dog-

this is to tp2 and tru dog- I thought about what you said about the mistery game and all and well I don't think that will really matter. we and lain+cisco will handle team smash and we and you guys will handle it in kart. If that happens then the mystery round won't even matter. I mean if we get all the people we need no clan will be able to compare to us. Plus you can never expect to win in the mystery round because you dont know what you going to play. For examample we had to play a super nintindo game and nobody knew what they we doing. And how far did that clan even take you last year with all their abilities for the mystery round you didn't always win them. That is taking a random chance but if you come with us it's close to a garrante.

I don't really know whos

I don't really know whos going to be the leader of our clan sense we all are good so I think we need to vote on it. Don't reply with anything stupid lain. Also of all of those tournaments you went to how many did you when and are you better then/equal you cisco in you opinion?

too many long posts

Shin and Omega 3 things 1.

Shin and Omega 3 things
1. You are confusing me for Trudog Trudog rarley posts on this blog.
2. You guys should make seperate accounts so we know who is writing.
3. You are write about some things yes you guys can get to the final round of the clan cup each time if you add kart to your clan. just because you guys are good at melee doesn't mean you are a good gamer. I am not saying you guys aren't, but if you guys only play melee you really arent a well balanced gamer.

omega-how many times do i

omega-how many times do i have to say it we own kart, play kart, and are good at kart. Oh and my bad for confusing you with td bad driver. Also cisco bought kart and is good at it. Also lain is good and you guys are good so it is going to be like WAH last year except alot better.

P.S we put our names by the comment for who is speaking ( omega-) or (shin-).

okay here's my results:

* MI Unite 1.5 - 5th place
* UM Smashfest1 - 5th place
* PlanetX Smashtacular! Singles - 9th place (gay bracketing. trust me. you can
even ask dope or mikey lenetia.
* PlanetX Smashtacular! Doubles - 2nd place
* GR Smashfest 1 Singles - 5th place
* GR Smashfest 1 Doubles - 1st place

i'm generally doing pretty well for myself. in teams i have the most success though. i was always good at teams.

and yeah, i'll admit omega, i was really bad. REALLY BAD. like wow unbelievably bad back then, but i'm pretty damn good now. but alright. i'll do a falco ditto and a fox ditto. (maybe a G&W ditto too hahah) ok? oh and the video is bad too. which is why i chose not to put it on here. that was from months ago, so it doesn't hold much salt.

also do you guys know how scary it is to see like 12 replies on this thing in one day? only a while ago that many would appear over a month

omega-ever sense I stared

omega-ever sense I stared posting it seems like there has been alot of talk. Anyways do you mind me going with you to the midland tourney. I really would like to see for myself how good the people are. if anyone else thinks they can beat me then challenge me if you want. YOU WILL GET SERIOUSLY OWNED. anyways it's all good. I can't wait to see how much you've grown sense last year. We will decide what we will do face to face in a match as friends when we get there. who do you play with anyways? FALCO, CF, OR PEACH.

i play falco, fox, and an

i play falco, fox, and an improving peach (although it's still scrubby)

as for the midland tournament, there's actually a tournament on the 23rd also. it's in grand rapids. would you guys want to go to that?

Guys you have to remember

Guys you have to remember one important aspect in this whole discussion.

Lain SUCKS!

I mean omg

Here's our matches

Friendly (Peach Ditto: Battlefield): Lain gets two stocked
Tournament Match (Peach Ditto: Dunno): Lain gets two stocked
Tournament Match (My Peach vs. His Samus: FINAL DESTINATION LOL): Lain gets 3 Stocked!

yayy!

omega-who are you MDidget.

omega-who are you MDidget. I didn't see your name on the leader board when I checked so i don't think i even know you. Also so peach sucks. She is just a easy playing character just like shiek and if you look at the pro's play you won't see very may people playing peach.

Omega as far as I know

Omega as far as I know Mdidiget came to 2 or so tourtaments and than moved

.......still haven't decided

.......still haven't decided if you want to be in our clan hu. thats alright it's such a big decition just keep thinking.

MDidget, that was what, a

MDidget, that was what, a year ago?

haha.

lol im sorry lain but i get

lol im sorry lain but i get bragging rights until we play again :P

omega-so do I because for

omega-so do I because for the record I am the one man army and sense the last time we played I've only gotten better.

P.S- tourneys are not the only way to gain experience. Don't forget who I live with and practice with every day. Oh and shin said he was getting first dibs on you sense he lost in a money match to you with his incomplete falco. Don't forget who is teaching him how to play.

sry i got first dibs on lain

sry i got first dibs on lain a long time ago
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uhhm i don't care who i

uhhm i don't care who i face. i'll take all three of you guys' money.

: )

but honestly, i've gotten a lot better also. i accept moneymatches from all of you.

swordmaster- $5 (standard) [although i'll gladly let him raise the price to anything]
shin- $10 (standard)
omega- $10 (standard)

omega-10 bucks is not enough

omega-10 bucks is not enough money to play me in a money match. You play swordmaster and shin first so you have a little more money and then I will play in a four stock match once so you don't try to cosmtomize to my playing style. Now don't get shallow on me again. I will pick falco and you can pick any character you wan't to play. If you've gotten so muck better then you should'nt be afraid to take up my challenge even though everyone nows if you got 10x better you still wouldn't be my equal or even close for that matter. u will gladly let swordmaster raise the price to anything so why won't you do anything with me. Scared you will lose ya money huu.

omega-lain if you can't beat

omega-lain if you can't beat cicso then you can't beat me

well, i KNOW swordmaster is

well, i KNOW swordmaster is a scrub. that's the reason.

for you, i know you know what you're doing. true, you've had shin to practice with, but that's a little rigid. i've gotten to train with Nario (dope's friend = rape), Mikey Lenetia (pro peach player. if you don't know him shame on you!), Biggy (best captain falcon in MI?), Anther (pikachu player. don't be fooled, he's too good).

as well as many other people, but those are just the top people i've gotten to play a little regularly.

we'll see. i haven't played cisco in like 4 months hahah. so i don't know how i'd do. probably bad?

uhhmmm okay this is the thing. since i'll probably see you and shin together, i'll play shin for $10 definitely. assuming i'll beat him (is there really doubt?), i'll be up $10. okay? so i'll play you for $15, thus i'll only be down $5 if i lose. if i play noobmaster also before then i'll play you for $20 cause i'll still only be down $5 if i lose.

really, i'm good but i don't enjoy risking my money on a random mm with someone i don't even recall how good they were like 9 months ago when i was a noob. i'm going to *pound* so i'm probably going to be low on cash you see?

omega-never mind about the

omega-never mind about the money matches i was just trying to scare you. Anyways why do you think you would lose to cisco but you think you can beat me so easily. Last time i checked somebody asked cisco was he better then me and he said we were equal. I guess he has put some fear into you that I have'nt huu. That is why people never could beat him because they always doubted themselves before even playing him. shin is the only one i no that could play him head on in the tournament without any doubt in himself that he could win.

: / so no $20? darn. haha. i

: / so no $20? darn. haha.

i dunno. cisco is just pretty damn amazing. i guess i'll see how good you are eh?

but really, the one and only rule of mm'es are no backing out once proposed. : /

how about just $10.

omega-alright if you want me

omega-alright if you want me to take your money so bad the so be it. We will the best two out of three. Don't be surprised if you try to kill me and i don't die. just a hint and im not talking about di

uhhh... i think i'm going to

uhhh...

i think i'm going to get a silly mindgame on you. you'll love it when we play. : )

trust me, you'll know what i mean when i get it off.

for $10 we should play best of 5.

the oldest

the oldest trick!!
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shin- "oldest trick" what do

shin- "oldest trick" what do you mean?

you'll know soon enough.

It's when he SDs 3 times

It's when he SDs 3 times then uses Pichu's thundershock to get him at 999% :o

Shin- LAIN its funny how

Shin- LAIN its funny how your so confident about beatig us in smash and jugdeing the last time we played well i was holdig my on agaisnt you with a falco that could barely L cancel ( that i just pick up from my brother at the time)So listen here forget $10 put i'll put up $50 best 2 out of 3 ? remember your going to win since been playing with the best people in world lately so come on, wat do have to lose?:)

uhhmm i held my own against

uhhmm i held my own against you with a peach that only knew how to do three things. dodge, dsmash, and dash attack.

$50 for a best 2 out of 3 is a bit retarded. $20, best of 7. on the off chance you for some reason beat me (zombies eating my flesh during gameplay, suddenly stricken with cancer, etc.), i won't have $50 to give.

so okay,
Omega, $20, best of 7
Shin, $20, best of 7.

sound good?

shin- BS that peach did way

shin- BS that peach did way more then that but hey i can careless about the past, but the lowest i'm going is $30 and that best 7 crab never. Why do you need so much time to figure out my tactics if your so positve your gonna win? best 2 out 3 and if you dont like we will figure out something when i see you again

because 2 out of 3 isn't

because 2 out of 3 isn't necessarily a measure of skill, it'd be who can get lucky on the first random stage, because then if they lose to the person's counterpick on round 2, they get to counterpick something fierce and win.

$30? fine. but i need to play you before friday. i need money bad. would you be able to do that? we could go to digital ops and play if you don't know of any places.

theres smash at digital

theres smash at digital ops??
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omega- in a touney you only

omega- in a touney you only play once so what you are saying is not really true. The longer you play a person the more time you give them to costom to you playing stlye and counter it. Why would i want to give someone the chance to figure my stratagey out so they can beat me. That would be stupid on my part. The only thing i will do is one match four stock on final. That way it will be pure skill. Oh and if your trying to get more money then i suggest you go play someone else for money because you'll never take my money. Thats a promisssssssssssssssseeeeee.

omega- in a touney you only

you only play once in a

you only play once in a tournament? where did you hear that? because it's not true.

uhhmmm that only happens, if the person is a scrub, and can't change it up. ; )

i'll play you after i play shin.

omega-............i don't

omega-............i don't see how you can go from a scrub in smash in six months to someone as good as cisco, me, or shin. It just doesn't make sense unless your a game freak and you practice every day.

"unless your a game freak

"unless your a game freak and you practice every day."

haha uhh........
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are you guys out of school

are you guys out of school because we arnt?

me neither. we could still

me neither. we could still meet sometime quickly after school. i don't have school friday though.

as good as you or cisco? i've been playing with a lot of good people. and really, you were only a little better then shin, so it's not like you're at some golden level that takes years to reach (or surpass). cisco? sure i'd doubt i'm near his level.

yeah yesterday was my last

yeah yesterday was my last (half)day
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would you be able to go to

would you be able to go to downtown ann arbor tomorrow shin and omega? i could use some extra money right now. it would only take a minute to beat you guys.

: )

Shin = $30 - $50 Best of 5
Omega = $$30 - $50 Best of 5

guys, i'm not trying to "adjust to your playstyle". it's called logic. as usual, the more matches you play in a set, the more it would show the true skill of the players. best of 1 is just being scared and hoping you get a good stage and try and clinch me out in one match. that's just stupid. even ken loses a match every once in a while, but he rarely EVER loses sets.

best of 3 is sort of better, but a best of 3 isn't standard. a best of 3 is standard for tournament that run low on time, and people who play $5 moneymatches.

if you guys REALLY think you're better then me, then don't be scared and accept my challenge. being better means being able to adjust to my playing style, and being able to change your own, i.e. MINDGAMES. so what you're basically saying is you have 0 mindgames.

but hey, if you think i'm better then you...

Man, there were 21 new

Man, there were 21 new comments in this topic this most recent time, so I came here expecting to hear something constructive or useful, and instead I get mindless posturing between lain, shin and omega, with a few random interjections by swordmaster.

I feel that 3 minutes of my life have been wasted here.
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then don't come to read :

then don't come to read : )

i don't post here to entertain you, nor do i post in hopes that i'll fill some void in your life.

omega- oh and i suppose that

omega- oh and i suppose that a little better then shin is not so good. Lets get this strait. Nobody could even compare to us (other then cisco) in smash but that is not a golden level. I think that you think you have increased so much from playing with good people that you are just undeafetable. YOU CANNOT GO FROM A SMASH SCRUB TO A LEGEND IN JUST A FEW MONTHS SO GET THAT OUT OF YOUR HEAD. And for the record have you ever even beat cisco even once. I have beaten him in a set. Have you ever gotten in the aadl gt before. I did in my first year. Have you ever gotten 3v1 two times and won both. I have. I think its been so long sense you seen me play you have just all together forgotten who i am. Anyways its only a couple more days tell someone gets owned so lets just stop talking about it and wait for this event to play out. Lain vs THE ROYSTERS who will win. Only time will tell. Men you are open to place your bets.

not a care in the

not a care in the world.......

i'm not a legend, i'm just

i'm not a legend, i'm just saying i'm better then two guys have practice with each other for 6 months. : / good practice? no. playing with one person forms habits. habits = i see them and fsmash you in the face.

and FYI i have beaten cisco multiple times. he's still 10x better then me though. you've beaten cisco before, but he's still 20x better then you.

i'm still waiting for you to accept my challenge and stop being a scrub about it. best of 5, $30. each of you.

what do you mean a few days? are you coming downtown wednesday or not?

omega- fine but it won't be

omega- fine but it won't be on wednesday because i won't be their. The only day i will be their is the 30th so be their. Big talk comming from someone who has never beaten me but....... we will have to just see what happens won't we. Also you make cisco seem so over rated. He is good but he's nowhere near as good as you say. That is one of the main reasons that he can beat people beacuase he has such a good rep. that people are scared to play him a choke. If he was as good as you say nobody would be able to even touch him. To prove this to you I will play cisco in set with a falco ditto and win. At this point in time i don't think their is a falco that can beat me in michigan. I can't imagine it. I promise when we play in our first match i will two stock you. be ready to lose your money or just hand it over to me.

"i don't think their is a

"i don't think their is a falco that can beat me in michigan"

LOOOOOOOOOOOLLLL

omega im on your side here but thats just stupid since theres someone in michigan named uuuhhhh dope.....
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omega-don't forget i play in

omega-don't forget i play in falco dittos every day for six months strait. I've leard everything possible that you can do with falco and i don't intend to be beaten by so ordinary person who has never won a smash tourney. Oh and i was going to keep this a secret but i have been some intense training with a pro falco and........ well i think u know where this is going.

yup mmhmm omega i'm sure you

yup mmhmm omega i'm sure you have definitely trained with dope. seeing as how he lives nowhere near here -_-
btw i'm going to beat you in a falco ditto to show you how wrong you are.

and yeah, i never beat you. but we played one match, get over it.

and yes, i've never won a smash tourney, but i'm not gonna be beaten by some person who has never GONE to a smash tourney.

omega, i'm sorry, i love ya, i wanna be on your crew, but let's not turn this into some retarded thing here.

omega- yeah, yeah so are you

omega- yeah, yeah so are you coming on the 30th becuase thats the only day i'll be in ann arbor intill about another month so..... Anyways if your are as good as your word says you are then you can be in our clan for sure. got any idea's for clan names and are sure you want do a $30 money match with your own teammate. Doesn't make much since to me if you want to then i won't refuse a challenge.

omega- eli im sorry for

omega- eli im sorry for making this player rating thing such a mess but i think it would be a great idea. Omega LV.100. ammount needed to level up=9999999999999999 exp. points. thats just cool not saying that would be true or anything. If it were true it would be more like LV.200

omega- im finally of middle

omega- im finally of middle school. Thank god!!!!

you were in 8th grade

you were in 8th grade 0_0
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omega-oops, i ment im

omega-oops, i ment im finally out of middle school. Oh and i looked at some vidoes of dope and he was not all that great. Anyways i am the best freshmen ssbm player in MI how about that. It sucks to be the youngest but in four years i'll be the best of the best. Also yes in 2006 i was a 7th grader.

In 4 yrs ppl will be playing

In 4 yrs ppl will be playing brawl......

edit: which vids did you see of dope?
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we saw the ones on youtube.

we saw the ones on youtube. He didn't double shine, double blaster, edge tech, very few fluid combos, or do anything else the pro's do. To me he just looked like an ordinay falco. To tell the truth i think cisco could go head to head with him but i only saw two vids so i really can't base everything he is on that.

yeah i know hes got his own

yeah i know hes got his own style, pretty slow falco i admit but his mindgames are good i guess. Cisco played him before and dope 4 stocked him........well thats what cisco said

if youre gonna watch other videos of him dont watch dope vs tink cause he gets owned in that XD watch dope vs drephen instead.........but then again drephens a weird sheik too
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cisco got 4 stocked when he

cisco got 4 stocked when he didn't even know how to play with falco. The only reason cisco plays with falco today is because he admired dopes falco so dope taught he how to play well. Before that cisco was just a stone ready to be shaped just like everyone else. The truth is that nobody knows how to play well with falco(except for him their) so he gets all the spot light. Who do you think taught me to play with falco...... You just keep passing it down and no im not sharing my secrets because i already have.

that's a really... REALLY...

that's a really... REALLY... thinly veiled lie.

omega, i can safely assume dope did not come down to train you.

and btw, dope isn't as technical as shiz or bombsoldier, but i assure he'd beat those guys easily. dope's mindgames are spot on.

after i beat you, i'll teach you. and well omega, i need to establish here that no one, except for cisco is better then me in this area. and the only way i could do that is if i beat you both in mm'es. plus, the money would be nice.

let's not have any hard feelings afterwards though, win or lose.

and btw i thought you were going to midland with us?

omega- I would go to midland

omega- I would go to midland but my mom won't take me and she says she doesn't trust anyone to take me that she doesn't know. Anyways dope is just ok. He is nowhere near pro level in my eyes. I mean all he does is walk around dash dancing and wave dashing with little technique what so ever. He could not even touch shiz and bombsoldier can hold his own in a counterpick with the best player in the world so what your say just doesn't add up. And your right i didn't train with dope but i can assure you i have my connections. Trainning with someone with that skill level would only slow me down.

P.S-nobody in this area can beat you, you say. well over confidence is the greatest enemy. Also do you have any connections to cisco because i lost his phone number. Omega out.

if you have aim ciscos

if you have aim ciscos screenname is ssdma

and cmon just spill it who is this "connection" you speak of
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omega- if i told you, u

omega- if i told you, u wouldn't know who i was talking about because he is not very none.

lots of people said they

lots of people said they thought dope was alot better then he was on his vid so i am not alone. His mind games are not that great. If you plan on using mind games like dope, lain then don't excpect to win ok.

OMEGA- EARTH TO LAIN. My

OMEGA- EARTH TO LAIN. My wrestling camp trip got cancelled so know i can go to grand rapids the 23rd. Could you give my the info to where and what time it's going to be at. Unfortunately shin won't be coming so i will be a lone wolf. Unless your going that is. Im sure lots of people are going to call me a NOOB sense i KnoW im going to do well my first time their.

uhhh yeah well maybe you

uhhh yeah well maybe you should play me before we go. tomorrow i'm going to cisco's for a lot of smashing. how's that eh? we could get practice in.

but yeah i don't know. i'm not going to GR, but i'm going to either Southfield or Illinois evo2k. Southfield is like... guaranteed 1st or 2nd place. so free money for moi. but evo2k is like... a lot of experience. so i dunno.

reply soon though on that smashing.

omega-well... don't forget i

omega-well... don't forget i live in kalamazoo so i won't be able to practice with you guys. On the other hand where in Illinois would evo2k be held. Experience is always better then money. Always cause then you could come back and supposely win at aadl touneys. I really want to play some good people to see where i stand in the world of smash.

P.S-what does evo2k stand for.

nothing. just... evo2k.

nothing. just... evo2k. haha.

well, going to evo2k is going to cost me like over $100 so forget that. southfield it is.

i don't have a clue where

i don't have a clue where southfield is so..... and where in illinois would evo2k be held?????

southfield is like... an

southfield is like... an hour away from Ann Arbor. it's not that far, even from Kalamazoo.

it's being held in the northeast part of illinois. like 5 hours away.

but really, i need to mm you guys soon. like... SOON. when's the next possible time you can smash?

the only time possible is

the only time possible is going to be the the 30th so yeah... other then that we won't be their except for during the season days.

uh lain Do you remember that

uh lain

Do you remember that a certain other indian kid lives in northeast IL

yeah

pick me up or something >_>

so shin and omega, you guys

so shin and omega, you guys aren't going to the tournament this weekend?

Alright, this should be

Alright, this should be clarified:

Dope is MUCH better than DaShizWiz. DaShizWiz is much more impressive visually, but he's just not up to par on the mindgames. Recently he has gotten better in that department, but since Dope is a hermit ninety percent of the time, we'll probably never know. I've also played both and *I* beat DaShizWiz, Falco on Falco. Only happened once, but Dope doesn't let these kinds of things happen. He'll do bad on the first stock, but then he figures you out and just combos you to death four times.

As for Bombsoldier, nobody's played him in the U.S. for like, 2 years? Nobody knows how he compares, but I'm sure P.C. Chris would beat him.

And finally, everyone should go to FC Diamond, EVO2K has nasty rulesets and no friendlies.

Oh, and Omega, Bombsoldier will be at OC3, if you want to go out to California. Finally, I'm fairly certain that nobody is as good as Dope in Michigan. Only people that have beaten him in Michigan in a set are Mikey Lenetia and Hochiminhtrail.

My phone number is 734-546-0548, and my AIM as was stated earlier is sdmsaa.

If there's a tournament at the library on the 30th, then I'll go to that. I would highly recommend saving any rides you get to go to FCDiamond in South Bend, Indiana. I think it might be closer to you than to me.

OH and ALSO The reason we do

OH and ALSO

The reason we do sets is because certain stages are better for certain characters than others. For example, Marth does a lot better on FD against Fox than he does on Dreamland or something.

This opens the world of counterpicks, character changes, etc. This is why we have sets. Sets are more effective at determining the better player.

Best of 5 is standard for high stakes moneymatches.

One more thing, I promise

One more thing, I promise this is the last one!

Yeah, I'm not going to be in town on the 29th, 30th or the 1st.

So you guys better go to FC6

yayy no pwnerer for the

yayy no pwnerer for the 30th
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is the 30th the regulation

is the 30th the regulation throwdown

i believe that's what we

i believe that's what we call..

omega- well..... umm yeah

omega- well..... umm yeah will dope be at fc6 and what other touneys will he be at because i want to play him. Also are you and lain going to be in our crew.

P.S-what is fc6 and is lain gotten alottttt better.

omega-

omega- EMERGENCY-EMERGENCY-EMERGENCY
for certain reasons shin will NOT be able to attend any touneys this summer so our.... excuse me my clan will need another member. CLAN RECRUIT.

members right now

1. omega
2. pwnerer
3. lain
4. tp2 possible but not sure????????
5. Bad driver possible but not sure????????
6. ?????????????

gt events, where clans

gt events, where clans matter, isnt during summer............
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well what ever he won't be

well what ever he won't be able to go to any touneys this season thats what i went. Therefore i need another partner for smash and cart. Plus that was a big piece of are clan going to waste.

oh wow big loss, in that

oh wow big loss, in that case id like to be in your clan (i think) ill just see you at the 30th and you decide if u want me in it or not
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omega and shin you're still

omega and shin you're still mm'ing me for $50 each. i hope you know this.

the person who challenges can't take back. that's a rule.

omega-well shin won't be

omega-well shin won't be their so once i take your money you wont have a chance of getting it back. Unless you like to do rematches but i don't have to worry about that because im not going to loose. Just to make sure right now past midnight im going to go practice to brush up on my skills because i haven't play'd in about a month.

P.S-im gonna take your moneyyyyyy :)

"i haven't play'd in about a

"i haven't play'd in about a month."

no johnz
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it's gonna feel a lot better

it's gonna feel a lot better when i take your money now that you're so confident.

: )

Moneymatches all around eh?

Moneymatches all around eh? Eh?

Moneymatch me as well?

I'm just hungry for a pack of Skittles, so 25 would be best for me.

well once i take your money

well once i take your money i think i'll give you some free teaching lessons so you won't feel as bad. I might even buy you some mind games>.<As for pwnerer im not so sure of my victory. I've gotten alot better in technique but i haven't had much experience playing other people so you guys might have a advantage. But im sure once we play your gonna be like how do you do that and that combo was insane! Last year i just followed you around randomly but now i am like a whole different person.

i 2 * u -.-

Anyways this will be my last

Anyways this will be my last comment for this week because im going to evo2k this weekend. For some reason my mom is going to chicago this weekend so yeah wish me good luck. Now at least i'll get to test my skill on new opponents. Evo2k north is all mine.

lolz good luck youll need

lolz good luck

youll need it
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You better win Evo2K if

You better win Evo2K if you're going to afford paying Will and I 55 dollars.

i just found out that you

i just found out that you had to sign up before going to Evo2k so yeah... i won't be winning any money but i skill can play people. Oh and shin wanted to do 50 bucks.... i only wanted to do 20 but if thats how much money you want to lose then o.k

uhhh. i really don't

uhhh.

i really don't care.

let's play for our houses. please. hahaha.

but uhh i guess i'll do 50 20? i really don't care as long as you don't bail. and it doesn't go lower.

shin wants to play me for 50

shin wants to play me for 50 dollars?

uh, okay.

well, omega and shin better

well, omega and shin better be going to Midland.

btw, bring mm for our moneymatches. i'm gonna be pissed off when i scrounge up my $100 and see that you both have like $7 each.

dang i havent been on in soo

dang i havent been on in soo long

alot of the nwe posts were from shin and omega

ARE YOU ADDICTED TO THIS WEBSITE ? it seems like every other post is from them

omega-uuuhhhh yeah...

omega-uuuhhhh yeah... Anyways what a day. I didn't win any money but i sure learned alot. Man the people in IL are really good. One of the guys (the one that took me out with an insane marth) has beaten ken and forward. He really tought me how to maximize what i could do. Well now i have some player experience so yeah. I really can't imagine losing to anyone at aadl. I think im going to set a record for the most tournaments won in a row. I can't wait to try my new skills on you lain. oh and we are going to have to prospone the mm because it cost me 75 bucks total to enter the touney with trasportation included. Don't worry i'll get you in a month. Also im not going to midland because im running low on money as you already know.

P.S- i just check this thing once or twice a day when i get the time johninabox.

pwnerer nobody ever said

pwnerer nobody ever said they wanted to mm you so.....

huh i thought you said you

huh i thought you said you were too late to sign up for evo2k and did u happen to catch this marth players name?
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late registration. costs a

late registration. costs a lot, which is why i didn't go.

dang omega tied for last

dang omega tied for last place, whode you play in the winners and losers bracket?
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yeah.... i somehow got stuck

yeah.... i somehow got stuck with the best guy their eddie and then sd twice with the second match. I was also very nervous but that's still no excuse. It was my first time in an actual tourney so i really don't think i was at my best. Im telling you though those guys made aadl touneys look like everyone their sucked. Most of the people their we also well over 18 years old and had played smash from 3-5 years(advanced players with lots of experience). I was the youngest of everyone. Never the less i still have my pride as a smash player.

see tying for last

see tying for last place.

not exactly taking evonorth" is it?

not trying to sound like an ass but i AM trying to say i told you so.

Wait, what? You're not

Wait, what?

You're not moneymatching me?

By the way, Eddie can NOT beat Ken OR Forward. He may have beaten them once or twice in the past, but that was probably before Forward was good and back when Eddie was actually one of the best in the Midwest and could go head to head with the likes of Ken.

4th place guy was "eddie

4th place guy was "eddie howells" so is that eddie the ganondorf player?
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Also, Eddie wasn't the best

Also, Eddie wasn't the best player there. Not trying to be a douche; he's good, but he's not the best player there.

Who else'd you lose to?

Anyways, yeah. Drephen, Mathos, and Viperboy (not even that good) all did better than Eddie.

omega do you have a partner

omega do you have a partner for teams yet? since you said shins not coming
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i can't get to sleep so im

i can't get to sleep so im just going to say some stuff so you all can read it once you wake up. Yes i got raped but i didn't even get a chance really. Im sure i could beat a handful of the people their it's just once i start playing i guess i choked. I sure everyone has been where i was in that time. Yes i lost my money but the experience i gain was not an equal exchange. My skill level raised more in that one day then in almost all the tourney's i was in before. Everyone has a first experience but i learned from it so what can i say. i guess it's like i bought some experience perhaps. Anyways i don't know really right now if shin is going to be able to come. I not sure and it's a really complex story so don't ask why.

eddie was the best their but

eddie was the best their but the best don't always win. He was one out of two pro smash players that were their.

i thought u already had a

i thought u already had a partner sword

yeah i do but now im not

yeah i do but now im not sure if one of my brothers are going so his regular teammate might need a partner and now lains coming to this and if cisco comes too they'll team up so......

but yeah i have definite partner as of now, dunno if im gonna have to switch up things though
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Omega, Eddie was not the

Omega, Eddie was not the best guy there. And there were multiple, MULTIPLE pros there.

well i played every one

well i played every one multiple times so i could gain some good player experience. Nobody (in my opinion) was better the eddie. Im sure after you played him and he four stocked you u would think the same. How would you know who was the best anyways. Im safe to assume that you haven't played eddie and if you have it was not recent. The eddie you know must have gotten alot better.

for one, Eddie wouldn't

for one, Eddie wouldn't 4-stock me. : )

and for 2, i KNOW Eddie isn't the best because he's not very high on the CURRENT Midwest Circuit, he didn't get first, and he just flat out wouldn't be able to beat a good portion of the people there.

what you fell for sir were mindgames. which Eddie had a lot of. i'll introduce you to some mindgames when we mm at the regulation.

Actually, there weren't

Actually, there weren't multiple Pros. There was one, and that was Drephen, who happened to have won the tournament.

By the way, you lost to Brickman in loser's, and Brickman isn't exactly "pro material".

But I lost to Styl at SSA4, so don't worry about it. Most people lose really badly at their first tournament unless they're lucky enough to have been around people who knew what they were doing prior to that.

As for Eddie, no, Eddie has never fourstocked me. He's gotten far from better, and if you keep track of his Tournament Ranking's he's going down, not up. At SSA4, he twostocked me Marth vs Falco on Battlefield, I won with Fox on Dreamland64, and then lost with Falco on FD.

Don't even ask about how I lost to Styl.

yeah you can just ask shibby

yeah you can just ask shibby that lol
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omega- i almost beat

omega- i almost beat brickman in a shiek ditto. I brought him down to one stock 105% but thats still not a win. oh i found ten bucks in my money box so i actually do have some money. we can still mm on the 30th it would only for ten bucks though. But shin will be their and he has alot of money so you can do that 50 bucks mm with him.

I'm not like Will, so if we

I'm not like Will, so if we play friendlies and (either of) you feel like backing out, I'll be okay with that.

not like will? the

not like will?

the challenged me. don't give me that.

but yes i will accept those $10 and $50 mm's. aha.

omega-alright then have your

omega-alright then have your money ready to be taken. I'll give you a chance to get your money back if you have more money. Anyways 50 bucks is alot but shin is some what over confedident. Best of 5 did you say. Oh and lain is your name will or william because we might have the same name. Everyone at school calls me will.

hhahaha. we have the same

hhahaha. we have the same name. my real name is william but i am called will.

all the more reason i'm to be on your clan.

well, alright then.

Shin = Best of 5. MLG Rules. $50.

Omega, weren't you doing $20? I feel a best of 5 should also be for $20, as best of 5 's are used for $5 at times. haha.

eli when do you think the

eli when do you think the stats will be up?

Huron DDR tournament- good

Huron DDR tournament- good idea???

I'd sponsor it.

quod erat demonstrandum

Haja is one of the youngest

Haja is one of the youngest players; He competed in the K-5 Mariokart two years ago and was one of the best Kart players then. He gave me a run for my money back then (it was a weird race but still he's good). I think he's the one that showed me that you me how to take the DK mountain shortcut without the half pipe trick. By the time he reaches high school, in two or three years, he should be one of the best competitors. As it is he's still good.

oh he should be able to play

oh he should be able to play with my 2 younger brothers then
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actually haja is just as old

actually haja is just as old as i am and will be at pioneer next year u might be thinking of andre his younger brother who looks like a fifth grader but id actually in 7th

hmm, really I would have

hmm, really I would have expected him to be my sister's age. But I guess he just didn't come last year like so many other people.

for anyone who never scroll

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Submitted by shin and omega on Thu, 05/31/2007 - 8:03pm.

"o.k lets set this stait. The only reason that fgw won was because of us. He wouln't of even came close to winning if it were not for us. At the beginning of the season you begged us to join your clan and we really did it out of pity. This year everything is going to be different. Oh and for other people don't join fjw clan, if you look at the dvd of the grand championchips he turnned his back on me and then turn his back in sudden death on John in a box and some other guy and killed them. If he did it to me then he will do it to you so i would't trust him. Oh and I read your comit about how your going to drop us and that was just a bunch of bs. You can't drop us or you wont have a clan. We MADE WE ARE HARD, HARD. Anyways We are starting a new clan starting with us two and cisco if he wants to. Also shout out to Mike S wasup man. We need three more people so if you want to join tell us or we wont no. Alright then I'll see yall July, 30, 2007"

lol i want in!!

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