Season 4 Ideas: Player Ratings

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OK, the off-season plods on. While we eagerly await the All Ages Mario Kart tournament coming up Friday Night, May 25th, let's talk about another new GT feature we discussed back at the planning meeting that EJK and I have been talking about: Player Ratings. The idea is to provide a quick, uniform way to tell both overall and game-specific skill and achievements. Read on to check it out.

So, skill rating would essentially be the player's win percentage, including non 1st place finishes, expressed as out of 10000. So, someone who finished first in every match would have a skill score of 10000, and someone who finished last in every match (because last place usually gets 1/10 the points of first) would have a skill score of 1000.

In addition to that, we're going to pull out event-winning bonuses into a separate column. The skill plus the bonuses equals the rating, and that goes for each game as well as overall. Check out this mockup of [gtplayer:143]'s career rating grid, based on real data:

Game     Matches   Skill   Bonuses | Rating
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Kart        42        7814    1050    |  8864
Melee       67        7942    400     |  8342
Other       11        7273    600     |  7873
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Overall  120       7836    2050    |  9886

'Other' is mostly surprise games from season 2. This doesn't yet take into effect any team scores. I think you would be able to view this for each season and career, and you'd be able to click on the achievements to see what they were for.

What do you guys think? Does that approach sound good? Do TP2's numbers look sufficently descriptive? I think I'll have EJK whip up a rating grid generator so that you can all find your grids and start complaining about how they fail to capture how awesome you are. =)

Let me know what you think. We've got some big things coming... so stay tuned!

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sweeeet, and big things coming??? heck yeah!
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if mine doesn't say 5 million then it's wrong.

and, so for seeding or whatever, are we using last year's rankings?
well, i guess we'd have to...

but, alas, i feel we'd need SOME kart talent to balance out our god like smash skills. if you place in the top 8 (or whatever) of this kart tournament, we'll then look at your kart record and if you're just an amazing god of kart, you're in (if you choose to of course). you really don't have to have any smash skill at all. we're just looking for kart.

uh so yeah. i mean Pocket Rockets ; ) won last year with EASE (kart you can tell we did not care about), and we got seeded as first every round. so the choice is obvious.

a decision won't really be made until POSSIBLY this kart tournament.


Some more tweaking here:

Expanding upon the bonuses, we could award bonuses for experience as well as the current bonuses for winning tournaments. So, you'd get a 100 point bonus for your 50th match, and a 1000 point bonus for your 100th match, etc. The base of your overall rating would still be based on winning percentage, but the more bonuses you get, the more of your rating would be based on experience. It would be possible to have an overall rating much higher than 10000 with this based upon experience. Also, we would classify "levels" based upon your total rating, so as to easily classify groups of similar players.

With some added experience bonuses, TP2's rank would look like this:

Game Matches Skill Bonuses Rating
Kart 42 7814 1050 8864
Melee 67 7942 400 8342
Other 11 7273 600 7873
XP     1100  
Overall 120 7836 3150 10986 (Level 10, 14 points to Level Up to 11)

/*== ejk ==*/


that is officially one of the coolest things EVER


So if we get enough experience points we level up???

And if we level up enough do we evolve???

I've been playing too much Pokemon Pearl (am fighting Champion now)...

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Sounds really cool. For the kart tourney what sort of rules are we going to have?


OH MAN, XP and Levels is a fantastic idea. I think the ratings should be like attributes, combining to make an overall level, and the level should be weighted towards experience and achievement. So, how about this (I knew ejk would be able to make that table look nice):

Game Matches Skill Bonuses Rating
Kart 42 7814 1050 8864
Melee 67 7942 400 8342
Other 11 7273 600 7873
XP 120   12000  
Overall 120 7836 15150 37079 (Level 37, 921 points to Level Up to 38)

Your Level is your ratings + XP. So it already includes the game-specific acheivement bonuses, plus 100 XP for every match you've played. Every 10 matches you go up a level, or you can advance faster with bonuses or adding another game to your ratings. You might just want to come to a DDR tournament once, even if your rating is only 5000 or so... that adds 5 levels right there. =) So, your level is not only a measurement of your skill and achievement, it's also a measurement of your seniority.

We can tweak the XP value for events where you likely get more or less matches, but one question I still have is, should the levels space out rpg-style and require more points to level up, or should we stick with 10 matches = 1 level no matter how long you've been around? I'm leaning towards keeping it flat, because you're not facing progressively higher XP monsters as you go up in levels like you would in an RPG, right?

Although, we could consider finals like boss fights, where you get a difficulty bonus depending on the levels of your opponents... this could be cool.

Maybe you could even earn XP at open plays, maybe 10 points per match. What do you guys think? If nothing else, it might discourage those 9-stock matches... =)

We may not have evolution, but we should definitely have ranks, like 0-10 Rookie, 10-15 Pro, 15-20 Veteran, 20-25 Seasoned Veteran, 25-30 Master, 35-40 Grandmaster.. You guys throw out some ranks. Maybe if you're the first person to reach a rank you can name it.

BD, I'm thinking 8-player, 2-station pools for the kart event, everyone getting as many as 3 qualifying pools... stay tuned for details.


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I saw no one at the regatta today

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Sounds good. I don't think DDR tourneys and open play should be thrown in. That'd be like throwing in Tiger Woods playing with his friend and playing on a PGA sanctioned event. Also i think people should have a rating that goes up and down based on how u do. So if you win every match you will have a 10 and if you lose every match you will have a 1. I like the first person to reach the ranks get to name them but maybe you should make them higher considering Tp2 has already reached the top level. Also you should be able to look at someones season rating from previous seasons and career rating. So you could compare maybe someone who has been playing for 4 seasons and someone who has been playing for 2.


hey hey hey,

i like the idea of levels but how high will the levels go and what importance do they have?

ex: top 10 leveled people get a bonus or play a match for a bonus


the pools is a good idea but we have to make sure that each time we do a diffrent pool try not to stick the same people with each other

(unless you wanna stick me with some noobs like...i dont know...too early to make other peeps mad at me.)

some of you lucked out ... you know who are


my brother was at the reggata
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AHHHHHHHHHH I FORGOT THE WORD ....YOU... IN MY LAST POST you know where it goes


i'll mm anyone with almost anyone--true story.

i really only consider MAYBE the roysters to be of any merit. but i haven't played them in a long while so we'll see if they've gotten better. i'm fully confident that a 3 stocking would in order though.


where does the skill part come from? Because I know that TP2 should have a higher skill in kart compared to melee.Also, do team events count for this? I bet that I have the most XP/ games played out of everyone


Skill is the amount of points you have earned. If i am right. it is much easier to earn points in melee


Two things...

Question: Will the ranking system include information for season 1?

Opinion and Clarification: I think that the idea of a ranking for kart and melee individually in addition to a ranking in the GT overall is great. I think that there has to be a weighting for that to work because I have more than twice as many melee wins as kart wins so I think that if the two separate ranks were to be comparable then the system would have to value a kart win more. No one has even 20 kart wins, but many people have above 40 melee wins.

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never mind about the skill thing, I didn't read the description.
BD is right, It's eaier to have a higher skill rating for melee
wieghting is a good Idea because nobody has more than 18 wins in kart(That's how many I have, Although I would have 20 if the 3 kart wins I had in the grands counted)


look at it this way everyone gets 2 kart quals and up to 3 elimniations that is 20 a season so if someone wanted 20 wins over season 2 and 3 they would need to win half their matches and advance to the final race every tourney. A nearly impossible feat.
For melee everyone gets 3 qualifers and up to 7 elimniations that is 10 matches a tourney and 40 a season TWICE! as many. And melee there are half as many people in each match and only one on ones in the finals.

Take into consideriation that some of those melee wins are coming from melee only tourneys


if ANYONE thinks kart takes more skill then melee, then:

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Drex I'd like to contest you on your statement "I bet that I have the most XP/ games played out of everyone". Although it's either a member from your clan Miniblin or myself since we are the only ones that have consistently attended all 3 seasons. If other tournaments (DDR, retro) count (as an overall gaming rating), than I have it since I've attended more non-season events than most anyone else (Eli might have me beat). If it's just season ratings than it's hard to tell; you most likely have me beat since I think you've been to every event and I have missed one.

I love the idea of player ratings and exp. I don't know if just giving everyone 10 points for every match is the best idea, you might just give a 10th of points accumulated (so you get 10pts for 1st, 1pt for 8th) across seasons. With or without bonuses, most likely without. But we definitely need to make the ranks more RPG game like. Like 0-10 Goblin, 10-15 Lackey, 15-20 Territorial Oak, 20-25 Dragon, 25-30 Miniboss, 35-40 Boss, 40-50 Final boss, 50-60 Final boss 2nd form, 60-70 Secret boss that is infinitely stronger than the final boss.


srry but if we added up all the points then D-rex would definately take the cake.


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i've attended like...7 or 8 ddr tournaments i believe (and won all but one).

i've attended the most everything i believe. haha.


I have more points, while attending less tournaments than D-Rex, and I'll bet that there are others who are doing better than myself in terms of wins/matches played.

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I won't argue about points earned, you win there but I will say a VERY large number comes from team kart. I'm guessing that Since the begining of season 2 I have been in the most matches = xp. Also I belive that at the beginning of next year the durski bros will be the only people who have been to every regular season tournament, all three seasons. impresive considering that Alex is not even in high school.

without the 2000 points from team kart bounuses alone(not counting wins)=12place 1000 points behind me

but you're still the 2nd best kart player


idk duck i have been to almost all open play this and last season,retro tourny,and most ddr's

and jonin abox my wii code is 6291361121603579 and anyone else can use just tell me first so i can add u 2


Huron DDR tournament- good idea???

I'd sponsor it.

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You didn't attend season 1 did you limabean/lain. Also I'm not really counting open plays since they aren't really tournaments and for the most part aren't recorded.


Huron DDR tournament-- good idea indeed

i'd win it


So long as we have foam pads, I'd give you a run for your money...

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o i thought u was just talking about openplays


hahahaha. i am too good in ddr. some might call me... the ddr king

although i don't know how proud i'd be of that title


wow no posts for 3 days...


That's like winning free drinks for a night at a gay bar, Will.

But then again that'd be great for you, wouldn't it?

huh huh huh got'em

I don't think I have the most wins in melee, or the highest ranking, but I do think I'm the best at it. I don't know how long it's been since the Roysters played, but I know Will got a lot better since the last time he played them, and the last time he played them he beat Shin. Then again Omega was better, but the issue with their player experience (different viable people they've played) is a lot worse than Will's now, so I think Will would probably win.

And I think I'd take all of them to the cleaners FC.


free drinks at a gay bar?! hot damn i'm there!

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i think if shin or omega beat me i'd just kill myself

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i think if ANYONE beat me from the aadl i'd just kull myself. except you cisco of course. >=[


I'd be ashamed if anyone at aadl took a stock off of me

except for Cisco and Lain of course :]


so what would you feel like when i 4 stock you?
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well it wouldn't happen so that's really out of the question

you could probably 4 stock a level 3 comp. but that's cool i guess.


Lol, well here's how I see it

I can 4-stock a level 1 computer at 5%
then I can 4-stock Rainier at 0%


lol a lvl 1 damages you 5%???
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damages you more <_<


haha.

rainier i can't waaaaiiittt to destroy you.

oh fun stuff

does anyone know if open play or whatever for smash will be alright at the kart tournament??

oh yeah and i just got me some pokemans. good stuff


lol nishant i beat u once


lol, nishant, i still remember when juggleguy and i were better than you

lol, i don't even remember how to play smash or mario kart, but i'll be there at the kart tourney

wow, thats like my first post in forever

the blog has turned into a place for pointless trash talking, if you wanna trash talk, got to aadlgt.forumer.com and trash talk to your hearts content (although the people that are actually posting here already have accounts there anyway)


Eli!!!

Pokemon Diamond/Pearl tourney = when????

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ummm FjW...

you never played me >_>

and Juggleguy only beat me (johns ahead!) because on the last stock he got lucky and tippered me. I couldn't jump and i used parasol where he got a nice edgehog. I was winning that battle easily.

and it was my first battle of the day...

xD


lol, MDidget, i could've crushed you

but now, i suck, and i need to relearn the controls

BUUUUTTTTT, if we have a non parent/child Wii Sports tourney, all will be crushed


i dont know about that


yeah nishant, come back for pre season so we see what youve got
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there HAS to be a place to play you swordmaster.

getting my $5 after like 3 months of smack talk from you and the fact that our match is a "no johns; who is better" set in stone match makes it even juicier.


does the mkdd tournament have smash open play??
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hopefully


lolol

FjW, crushing me?!?

Nah

Ask the real judge...

where's that mexican...?


i hate to break it to you all but after the next seasin ill be in the top 2 soo what ever you have planed with your top 10 or top 5 pics for the end of the season make sure to put me 2nd or first.

peace out noob nubs


whose first?
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If only you could play smash, johninabox, you'd be great <_< :P


whose coming to the mario kart turny on friday?
I have a feeling that its going to be like a all-star event


lol johninabox's kirby lost to my brothers mario
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im coming to the friday mabobber


seriously everyone sucks at smash


I think i will be there dont know if i am going
what is the rule set?


first off 1st place will be who evere thinks they will win.(my past records show i dont got a good chance to b 1st but i think im over due for at least 2nd :) )

2nd - ill be at the mario kart on friday i got a good feeling that d-rex will win that !!!

3rd - (this 1 is for eli) i know that drums and others are banned form the season but... will it be okay if i brought in a smoke machine... a leafblower with streamers tied to it.

it would just be so our clan make make the most ballin entrance ever!!!!!!!!


i got soo good at smash i just gotta listen to some Red Hot Chili Peppers when i play
and kirby pwns all i dare you to challange me


-_- johninabox i really hope you're joking

if you're not, then i challenge you. : )

btw eli for the love of god in team tournament please turn ON team attack.

also, i might not be able to go to the kart tournament to own swordmaster and others at smash open play. i might, but i don't really know for certain.


uhh what time is the mkdd tournament exactly
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John is not kidding i saw him with the leaf blower


I could bring mine, too...

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i be at friday


im not kidding this is 4 real i wanna bring it in and make our new clan look kool

(get it ... look kool ... ) it is the same back and forth


the funny thing is i'm the only one who actually looks cool at the aadl.

: )


Kids, don't smoke Kools.

They're Slook backwards.

Absolutely disgusting.


look and kool, switch it around and you get the same thing


hahahaha.

can i smoke american spirits, cause you know, those are stirips nacirema. which sort of sounds/looks like strippers' macarena. and we all know that's pretty hot.


Well i havent played MKDD forever. What is the format for tommorows tourney?


idk but everybody come to the thing tomarow and saturday so i can play u at smash


theres smash open play on saturday too?
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OK guys, there will NOT be smash open play tonight at the Kart tournament, unless turnout is really low, but there will be plenty of open smash play tomorrow (saturday) during the wii sports tourney (which is for all teams, not just parent/child) from 1-4.

Ballooneater, we are doing Pokemondays in late june / early july through the summer, but we'll be sticking with the GBA versions for this round to give people time to move to Diamond & Pearl. (I'm 11 hours in on Diamond, but I only have two badges). We will probably do our first pokemon battle revolution tournaments using diamond and pearl in the fall. However, I expect that there will be scads of informal diamond / pearl going on at all of our upcoming events.

See you guys tonight! We'll be doing pools of 8 players, 4 races each; ideally, everyone should get 2 pools, with the top 16 or 32 moving on.

Also, I have some more ideas about player ratings and XP... so stay tuned!

eli


eli is it ok for my clan entrance idea? (see my post on monday Mon, 05/21/2007 - 9:53pm. )


Aw man, I'm missing the pokemon tournies :(

I just perfected my EV-trained team too :(


Are hacked Pokemon legal???

I got me a Registeel with 999 on all stats

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For wifi play...no

if you use that Registeel on wifi, you will be shunned for life :P

I r teh pokeman master


Ok overall tourney tonight was good. I like the pool idea. That might be very hard to pull off in a short time period and the 4 person a t.v. and 2 stations was horrible lag. Also i think for a pool it should be the top2 from the pool or top 4 so there is some concept of winning your pool


i have diamond on my pc does that count :p
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TC bad driver no one cares about kart tv lag. hahaha.

smash lag, that's death. if it's off by a few frames you can say good bye to playing a lot of tech in general.


lame, my dad was too lazy to drive me
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swordmaster, which ds emulator do you use?


No cash GBA emulator
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some how i got third at both tournaments