AADL-GT Game & Plan Meetup: This Saturday, 1-4 PM

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Welcome back to the world of AADL-GT! Some weeks have passed since the tumultous Grand Championships and the end of the 2006 season; now it's time to look forward and talk about what worked and what didn't going into Season 4. If you want to be a part of this discussion, please join us this Saturday, 2/10, from 1-4 PM at the Pittsfield Branch Library behind the Ice Cube on Oak Valley Drive. We'll have plenty of open play, food, spirited discussions, a preview of the 2006 GC DVD, and your chance to be interviewed for bonus features on the disc. Please note that aged-out players (Seniors) are absolutely welcome at this event; your experienced input is invaluable to us, and we especially want to get interviews with as many graduating players as we can. We hope to see you all there! Read on for some items I'd like to discuss.

OK, first off, I think we need to discuss an issue that came up at the Grands: 2nd-place pacts in Melee. While this isn't the worst thing ever, it certainly isn't in the spirit of competition and fairness, and I think we need to address this to prevent a repeat.

While I think most of us are happy with the general format of the regular season rounds, please come prepared to discuss any things that you think should change, both with the regular season events and the grand championships, such as:

- Does the Clan System need Reform? What about the Clan Battles?
- Does our SSB ruleset need tweaking?
- Did you like the 4-player Kart format at the Grands? Should we adopt that in the regular season for more races per player?
- Should we stick with the Random matchup approach, or should we go to a pool-based system?
- What are the Odds that Brawl will be released before November?
- What ideas should we consider for changes to the Tournament formats?
- Anything else?

As always, I've got some good ideas for next year I want to run by you guys, so come ready to play and yammer about picayune details until you can yammer no more. See you there!

eli

Comments

I hope to be there. Here is my opinon on the above questions
1.Clan system and battle is fine since it is only a 10 dollar prize and mostly a pride issue we shouldn't worry too much about that.
2.Team melee needs double elimnination. Singles could use it too but i like the FFA rounds. 4 player kart worked well but, i like the experience of an 8 player race. Maybe qualifaction on 4 player cubes for speed just to knock noobs out early than got to 8 per race.
3I would love a pool based approach as for melee for example you get 8 players in your pool and you have melee matches with everyone and than move onto elimniation.
4. Since most people dont have wiis due to shortages and its rather newness to the market i would suggest some Wii based tourtaments in the off season but keep it out of the regular season for now.
5. Take away the time limit in FFA stock melee. there were way too many ties and i am not saying i am not guilty either because when someone suggest it you either ok lets all get 2nd or get knocked off and go to 4th.
6. Stop teaming up. There are two types of teaming ups. There is blantant working together to elimniate one person who is better than you and your friends. Than there is avvoiding eachother and not attacking eachother. the second one is fine because you really cant go full strenghth agnaist a clan mate.
Hope to see you there


What makes you so sure the clan prize next year will only be $10? =)


I'd still just like to mention that a Facebook group for the AADL-GT does exist. Kevin Shannon also made a group for himself. Named: That crazy fat chick with a moustache. I suggest those of you with an account to join. Go to the Ask Kevin board to ask him a question to get the answer you didn't expect. (Kevin Shannon is the guy where I get my quotes from. See below.)
As for my arguments, I shall keep most of them to myself until the meeting.

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I guesss i don't know but i am assuming the prize budget will be the same and i wouldn't want regular prizes going to clans.


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1.Clan system and battle is fine since it is only a 10 dollar prize and mostly a pride issue we shouldn't worry too much about that.
Agreed, the clan system is very good as it is...
2.Team melee needs double elimination. Singles could use it too but i like the FFA rounds. 4 player kart worked well but, i like the experience of an 8 player race. Maybe qualification on 4 player cubes for speed just to knock noobs out early than got to 8 per race.
I think that might make the tournament in general too long...
3.I would love a pool based approach as for melee for example you get 8 players in your pool and you have melee matches with everyone and than move onto elimination.
That could work, but involves too much cooperation on the parts of the players...
4. Since most people dont have wiis due to shortages and its rather newness to the market i would suggest some Wii based tournaments in the off season but keep it out of the regular season for now.
Agreed, separate Wii tournaments would be advantageous...
5. Take away the time limit in FFA stock melee. there were way too many ties and i am not saying i am not guilty either because when someone suggest it you either ok lets all get 2nd or get knocked off and go to 4th.
YES!!!! Too many campers make the game less fun...
6. Stop teaming up. There are two types of teaming ups. There is blatant working together to elimniate one person who is better than you and your friends. Than there is avvoiding eachother and not attacking eachother. the second one is fine because you really cant go full strenghth agnaist a clan mate.
This would be rather difficult to stop, but if it could be done, it would make the whole tourney more fun...


if anyone didnt realize this is same day as solo-ensemble
shabouygan!!


Doh! Sorry about that, guys. Do you have a link to an AAPS band website where I could find out about and attempt to schedule around such things in the future? If you're not able to make it, please be sure to leave your comments in the thread here before the meeting so we can discuss your ideas.

Riley, you're a percussionist, right?


LOVE SHACK, BABY LOVE SHACK!


i think i might be able to come, but i would like to add my 2 cents right now in case i can't make it

first: i like the way the clan battles are done, they are fun, and fair, but the one thing is, you should do 3 short mystery games instead of 1 long one, this way, if one of the clans is obviously superior at one of the games, the other clan will still have a chance with the other 2 games

second: the melee rounds need the most work, as there is a big disagreement between "real" rules, and "fun" rules, i think we should keep qualifiers the same, because no one really teams up in the regular season for FFA unless they are in the same clan, BUT for the elimination rounds, i think we should then go to 2 stock, 4 time, no neutral stages and very low or no items

third: i don' tagree with BD for mario kart, most (if not all of the "noobs") have never experienced an 8 player mario kart race, so we should give them the opportunity to experience that, but for eliminations we should still keep it 8 players, its just more entertaining and intense

fourth: finally, i think we have to do something about the grands setup, i like the dual match setup, except we have to stop teaming (i was quite guilty of it myself), the way to stop cheap tactics is to instead of just rewarding everyone second place, you go by who has the most KOs, if that is tied, you then go by who has taken the least damage, and if you still have a tie, then you go to most damage given, then finally if everyone is still tied (no one moved) you play a tiebreaker match, i know this takes longer, but all of that information is available on the match end screen, so it can be easily accessed. there, problem with 2nding solved. There really isnt any realistic method to solve mario kart teaming or actual 3v1 smash teaming, unless we have a referee or something at each station.

ok, thats it, ELI PLEASE READ THAT, i know it has a funny format, but i said a lot of good stuff there


WOOO

BAND FTW!


yea how did u know

shabouygan!!


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Solo and ensemble was last week for high school....I got a 1....

so...who is actually going....???


im comin but i mught be late

cisco, your cousin came to my house 2day and i two stoked him

shabouygan!!


UPDATE: Diego's been working diligently to get the 2006 GC DVD edited and produced, and we will have as many as 20 copies to give out to attendees of the planning meeting. Hope to see you all there...


Is it the finished DVD, or are you going to add some interviews and stuff to it like you've said in earlier posts? Or both?
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is there any way to get a copy of the DVD if we don't go to the planning meeting?


This DVD is an edited version of the 2006 GC, with the wildcard cut out and several other cuts so it's only 2 hours long. It's pretty cool. I'm thinking at this point that I'd like to produce a GT mini-documentary with highlights from the first 3 seasons, interviews from last year's meeting, and this year's meeting too, kind of a supplement to the actual tournament videos. Sort of 'I love the GTs' thing. =)

FJW, there may be a way to get one if you don't come, but I'm not making any promises. This is your best shot...


someone should go to the planning meeting, then rip the DVD and remove any encryption they have (DVD Shrink is best, although its discontinued, try Alcohol (Although I doubt they would have encryption)), then create a torrent, then we can download it off the web, YAY

so, anyone wanna do that?


Dude, we can make a torrent. You don't need to send an agent to rip it. Sheesh. We've got a project in the works to make a lot of this stuff viewable online and downloadable.. I hope that we'll put everything we've got up there eventually.


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D00d, i p0st j00r hax, crackz, and warez on teh torrent sytez!!!!!!11!!!


lol, ok sweet eli


man i just realized it was today which is probally one of the worst days i will try to get down the actual meeting doesn't start till like 2 right.


It starts at 1, BD.

Lol d00d 1 707ally w4n7 j0r h4x and cr4xx! I 1ov3 70rren75!
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no Tom the actual meeting when does that start cause i am supposing there will be open play and can me and my brother request a hold on one of the DVD's.


there probably wont be open play because its not at the main branch

update: i probably cant go


As the post says, there is open play; we brought 4 TVs plus DDR. We won't start the actual meeting until after 2, and we'll save copies of the DVD for you guys (BD, TP2, FJW) if you can make it. Also, if you weren't sure if you wanted to come or not, you may wish to know that both Roysters have been sighted in the building already...


darn, i shouldve gone, oh well, is there anyway you can give someone there two copies of the DVD so they can give one to me, preferably someone that goes to Huron, like TP2.

EDIT: How did the meeting go? What did you guys decide?


so pretty much meating started at like 3 only 10 people showed and nothing has really changed exept i beat orochimaru a couple of times
shabouygan!!


if we do have rating based system next year you could always make things simple and tkae your points for that event and divide them by your matches. You might throw something in for the finals to take away the bonus in the ratings. Also for general scoring could you weight the elimniation races such as a first in the first qualfying race is 120 points instead of 100. And the final race a 5th is 100 points innstead of 40. Just an idea :)


What is the music that's playing on the menu screen of the DVD? It's really cool, and I want to know what it's caleed so I can find the right place to illegally download it from.
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Noooo! I got grounded on Friday! Thatt's why I didn't go to the planning meeting. I'm not even supposed to be on the computer right now. Damn! I just read about the DVD's. Is it posible to save a copy of a DVD if there are anymore? I ask this because I want it on DVD and a torrent wont work because my computer doesn't burn DVD's.

Oh, nevermind all that. Ian just told me that he got me a copy.

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"Me having a mowhawk would be awsome! Plus I could kill people with it!"-Kevin S.
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do i get a copy for being so freakin awesome?


As I see it Will, you only get a copy if you were there, or if you have long hair with highlights or colors.

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"If you put a sombrero on a beaver, it will explode."-Kevin S.
"Me having a mowhawk would be awsome! Plus I could kill people with it!"-Kevin S.
[gtlogo:RED]


I got a copy!!! Thanks, Duck, and all the library staff!!!

I watched some of it, too. It's a good aid for reminiscing, especially as it has my favorite Melee match of the ones I played in: Pwnerer, Johninabox, and, I think, Turtleperson2, on DK64. The other two agreed to take second to Pwnerer's first, but I didn't, so the three of them started passively trying to kill me. Johninabox accidentally killed Pwnerer twice for third place, then I finished him off.

Anyway, great job, Eli, Diego, commentators, et al! When can we expect to see Season 2's DVD? :)


francisco ftl

anyways, i failed to come. AGAIN!

uhh, my thoughts are that pools really are the best way to go

too much cooperation? not really. you just have them know who's in their pool...and they'll figure it out from there. pools give: worser players more matches, better players more warm-up, and everyone gets a chance just in case someone can't beat a particular person because of the character he/she plays.

as for mkdd i have no idea because i don't play it


wait, you guys stayed with FFA ?

you guys love seeing me cry don't you. i hate ffa sooooo much. i don't care about items, they only make a difference in close matches, and rarely in others, but ffa is something i've hated since i was a wee lad.


am i in the dvd????

i want one but i couldnt go :(

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anyone wanna burn me a copy of the DVD (mike beech, I'm looking at you, we can meet somewhere during school, what lunch do you have?)


Sorry FJW, there are two problems with that.
1. I don't get the DVD until I get it from Ian.
2. I don't have a DVD Burner.

Sorry, you gotta ask someone else. All I can do is deliver it.

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"Me having a mowhawk would be awsome! Plus I could kill people with it!"-Kevin S.
[gtlogo:RED]


I'll make one for you and give it to EBD, but it might be a while before I see him.


ok, that works, but does anyone know someone that goes to huron that went to the event, i dont need you to burn it, if you let me borrow your copy, i will burn it, then give it back to you


i will burn it twice*, FJW.

because I want a copy too ;)

I have blank DVD-R disks, anyways

and also ballooneater what happened to your extra gamecube?


ballooneater has lent his gamecube to a friend so he can play it (i think its for zelda, but i may be mistaken)

and btw, cisco, do you still want the money? and if you do burn the DVD, give it to Kevin Hsiao, he'll know where to find me


I'll work on the burning, but would you mind if I extracted pure video files (not playable in a DVD player).

"TORTURIS EXUVIAS EUNT"


I can't get the files to work. I don't have any DVD burning software to burn the DVD with, but I was going to create a data disc.
"TORTURIS EXUVIAS EUNT"


can someone burn me a copy?


Yeah I could use the money.

Thanks.

I'm on AIM a lot, and I have gmail (sdmsaa@gmail.com).


FJW, I burned a copy of the file, but there is a catch. It isn't on a DVD, it is on a CD (I compressed it to WMV.). If you still want it, I can get it to you tomorrow (or Thursday if there's a snow day).

"TORTURIS EXUVIAS EUNT"


sure yeah, thanks steven, just give it to me in compsci


cisco i got u a copy of the dvd but i dont have a way to get it too u unless i can give it to your cousin if you re going to see him soon
shabouygan!!


who's ready for the regulation throwddown?!

I AM!!!

what exactly are the rules gonna be for this, eli?


I think he will do basicially what pwner says but i would like maybe 4 ot so qualifactions than some double elimniation because these things usually have an hour of open play that only a few quals and that doesn't make much sense.


You can't have 4 qualifications in a Pool-Based Tournament because there'd have to be 5 people per pool...

Just put say, 6 people in each pool, then cut the top 2 from each, 16 person double elim. :)

And make sure to KEEP PEOPLE MOVING. And put in the rules, "No infinite stall tactis; punishable by match loss". And best 2/3 for top 16.

4 stock, 8 minute, random neutrals, dsr, etc. good stuff :)


Those matches will take forever and those are kind of complicated


BD, dont look at the 8 minutes and think that it takes forever, on nuetral stages with stalls banned (peach bomber, luigi ladder, etc), the matches last an average of 3-5 mins, which isnt that much longer than regular tourney matches

ok TP2, i played the video, and i dont think its the whole thing, its like 40 minutes long, and it abrutly ends at the beginning of the 2nd round (or is this how its suppsoed to be, because its a preview, and if it is, then when is the final version coming out?), is it possible to let me borrow your copy of the DVD for like one day so i can make a copy of it?


i got WII PLAY WOOOHOOOOO


oh wow since when has there been a melee tourney scheduled for next weekend, i havent played in forever

edit: hey tp2 can you burn me a copy of the dvd and give it to andrew park when you see him at church?
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i cant go to the smash tourney, darn :-(


"i got WII PLAY WOOOHOOOOO"

Little late seeing as you said you were gonna win the Wii from these tournaments :P


i think he means the game?
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It's not 40 mins long FJW. The whole thing is like 4 GB (.vob), so you have lost some serious content.

Does someone want me to upload it on a torrent site or something similar?


Yea, so I just tested to see if it worked and I was sort of surprised that it fit on that CD, even though it was compressed to WMV.

FJW, I can let you borrow my copy of the DVD, but I'm going to need it back.

"TORTURIS EXUVIAS EUNT"


Duck, that'd be great.


thanks Duck for clarifying, and thanks Tp2 for letting me borrow your CD


yea i cant go either
shabouygan!!


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Happy Chinese New Year!


from his 2007 album the new Michael Jackson song has been leaked !!!!!!!!!

http://www.myspace.com/tempamental

ohhhh yeaaaaaaaaaa


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eli do u think maybe i could comentate next year
shabouygan!!


nexgenwars.com
I wanna be a techie!


CAPTAIN-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-FALCON

i am PUMPED for the tourney this friday. you shouldn't even come, you stand no chance against me. XD


oh im still coming though
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-me

"why would i want your std?"
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i really wanna watch lain own swordmaster :P


i dont think so
shabouygan!!


can you say "lain at least 2-stocks him"?

i think you can XD


why not Riley? :P

I'd love to see that jiggly get a knee in the face


guys i have a simple end to this argument

i will beat both of you

the end.


oh and the day after this there's a tournament for SSBM in town.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=2061355#post2061355

i'm the organizer so it should run pretty smoooooothly


you're the organizer so it should run pretty GAYLY.

eh? EH?!?!?! LOLOLOLOLZROLFNUADHWRFHSW *dies*

but yep. knees in the face galore if i come.


wat about me mdidget
shabouygan!!


and i DID own swordmaster. BYAHHH


lol congratulations on 9th place mr. easy-bracket-street

eliminated by AS$ you fail.

furthermore i'm not the one with the GAY PRIDE BUTTON


hahaha

okay so i lost to AS$ whatev. i'm not as good as you okay?! i gotta start somewhere...


Anther is coming to the Library today, so if you're coming you get to play a really good Pikachu.