Season 3 Planning Meeting: Feb 12

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With 2005 behind us, it's time to look forward to our off-season schedule, and talk about how the 2006 Season should work. We'll have our planning meeting Sunday, February 12, from 1-4 PM at the Malletts Creek Branch, including open play, heated discussion, and hopefully, the Season 2 DVD. Read on for more.

Items to be discussed include:

Sur-Prize rounds: stay or go?
Do Super Smash and Double Dash still have life in them?
Clan size and subs
Tournament Structure
Other tournament ideas
etc.

So, what do you think? Let's jumpstart the conversation here, and we can then meet in February to yell at each other in person.

Comments

Well I would like these things but these aren't very important and only require a little effort.
• Commentator Entrance Test at preseason
• Having a clan score break down like the Individual Break downs
• Being able to see past years records


I agree with the first 2, but I don't think the third is needed. However, it would be nice to have a total events won by this player and maybe a score from all seasons.

"TORTURIS EXUVIAS EUNT"


Duck this has to end i am sorry. Lets just get along though opinos tend to be different we need to respect eachoters opinons
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also here are my improvement ideas for commentating.
I like a try out idea.
Also less commentaters. The commentaters are alyways switiching so you can never get use to one commentater. If tom and leinad come back they could commentate full time. Also i would like to see eli commentate again though this may be hard considering the increased responisibilites. he is the best play by play guy.
Also having everybody witha certain responsibilty one being color commentator on the match one being play by play and if you have three in the booth at once one commentatinfg more on the players example
Play by play
And Bad driver has moved into first place passing tp2 to win
race color commentator
looks like Bad driver has been stayingin second this whole race to pull ahead in the last second
player color commentator
Bad driver has had a really up and down season...
i would like to commentte next year i really enjoy talking and doing play by play for sports. i would enjoy any postion in the commentarey booth. i would like to commentate as a profession someday.
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I'm sorry Bed Driver, normally I forgive and respect people even if they disagree with me but Tp2 stepped over a line and forgiving him won't come any time soon.


duck he was just trying to defend his little brother. btw i am not a bed driver though that would be excing.
Also past records must be seen. Ele u could make baseball cards for the top ten at the grands and hand them out if u pre register.
I would like the point breakdown to be very in depth. Points in each round average points per a round. Breakdown of points in Kart and points in melee. That sort of thing. Also u could have several ways to rank everybody like most kart points most melee points and averrage points per a round.
make clans have depth charts example
4 member clans with a sub depth chart
the subs are in order so that if a member of your clan cant makea tourney you sub the number 1 guy in if that guy wasn"t there u sub the number 2 guy in and so on.
sub If the sub is the hioghest person on the depth chartthat attends the tourney
1. WRSTI
2. Tru dog
3. Duck
4. joe
You get the point
I like the idea of more room in clans6 sounds good and then a sub roster or u could have 6 with no subs and only the top 4 scores count. But, then u could have 3 people in ur clan and plenty of subs at the tourney but none of them can join ur clan.
Maybe u should have to announce ur subs before the tourney.
Like in fantasy football. Or u could have as big as clanas u want but, only the top 4 count/ go to clan cup. Just some ideas mostly bad ones but, still ideas
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Stop spamming Bad Driver. You need to use your time for something productive. Or just play like me.

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How can i play computer if tour alyways using it
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happy new years
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since i'm not gonna be here for the meeting, here are my ideas. I think we should keep the clan sizes the same, mainly because if, say, the trouble monkey clan teamed up with tp2 and duck, they would be almost unstoppable and would make the tournaments a bit less fun, as well as destroying some clans and making most of them worse than they were. I think we should keep the surprise round but lower the amount of points you get for winning/2nd/3rd/4th so people who have talents other than ssbm and mkdd don't go all the way up too the top, or make the surprise round something different like what some people suggested (coin battle in melee, or balloon battle in dd) you should already know the pros and cons of this suggestion, i think. I think that ssbm and mkdd still have lots of life in them which is trickiling away, and using them a few seasons from now would be pointless. and bad driver, ploz stop smamming since ur the one who's suggesting that we relinquish the ability to post near-infinate times in a day (no offence meant to anyone if you might take it) HARPY NEW YEARS ALL
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While I also agree that clan size should remain the same, I don't think that TP2, Duck and the Trouble Monkeys could ever all organize together toward a common goal all season. And I think that Duck is commited to keeping the VMC alive with new members new year.

Question: Are Tom and I welcome at this planning meeting or is it only for those eligable next season?

I think that you should limit the effect of subs, that way you reward clans with active members (yes, I know that people can't make all the tournaments, look at me, I had to miss half of them this season.) Perhaps you could limit the number of subs, or only give half points to the clan for subs?

DD and Melee should definately continue next year, but I think that the surprise round needs to go. Alternatively, you could only play obsure or old non-GCN games for the surprise round, similar to the Grands. That way, very few people would be prepared, so it would be a true "surpirse" and measure how fast people can pick up a new game. Although that method might give Duck an unfair advantage.

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Sorry Doomblaze i have been extremely bored. Clans need to be bigger. Turtle clan has about 15 to 16 members. I like the idea of 6 person clans with only 4 starters at each tourney but, all 6 compete in the clan cup. Is there going to be a new fourm for them adden tourney. Considering it is before the planning meeting.
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I like the idea of 6-man clans with only the top 4 earning and no subs. It would make everything easier and would reward activeness without punishing those who can't make a tournament for a reason more important than a tournament.

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DD and Melee will last for this next season if not the next two, by the time they start losing life there will be replacement games. I defiantly would like the surprise round to stay, but more surprising games would be a lot nicer. If the games became just a little more esoteric or older I (and other players) wouldn't have the previous game experience advantage that gave me (and them) easy wins. For example I had no clue how to play Pong with the dial and found that to be quite intense competition.

Bad Driver I noticed he was defending you, but my one line insult didn't call for what he said.


Hey, its me again. I visited an Israeli farm today and I must tell it stinks, literally. Cows, Sheep, Lamb, Calves, and the Horses all kept taking dumps on the farm and I couldn't breathe at all. Dont go to the farms if u visit Israel. Hey Eli, since the NFL playoff brackets have been released , r we gonna be using the playoff teams? I say we because I will be coming back to Ann Arbor on the 1st of February because I have tickets to the Superbowl. So I will be back for a short bit, but rite when the superbowl is over, Im going back to Israel.

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Duck of course you like the surprise round it was good to you, but I hate it because, what I noticed was that it wasn't skill at games that was winning it was whether you owned the game or not. Look at root beer tapper at the grands. You probably beat everyone because, you've played it before. I have personally played the real pong before so I would've done quite well in the surprise round. How would that be fair. It would be like me playing you in EE2. (if you don't own it). You wouldn't stand a chance. How would you feel if the winner of our game of EE2 got money. You would say that it is unfair.

I don't think Eli is going to find any games that no one has ever played before. In the first round the top 3 places all owned a copy (not generations) of bomberman. In the second round the top 4 places all owned or had extensively played Monkeyball. In the third round everyone had at least played warioware and I'm pretty sure the guy who won owned it. As for round 4 I don't know, but I would assume the same.

Duck I think that you have a very strong bias in this situation. There are players like Sravan who have earned incredible numbers of points, but lost in the surprise round every time. How is the surprise round fair to them. I think that the surprise round could stay, but it can't decide who gets the money. That is rediculous. Unless Eli could get a hold of games before they come out which is unfortunately highly unlikely.

As For kart and melee we have an interesting problem. On one hand we would like to keep both of them, but the truth is that different people come to different tournaments. There are people who like melee and people who like kart. So giving away all of the money for one game would upset people. That is why I support giving away money for each event rather than 3 big prizes at the end of the day. In order to keep kart and melee without a surprise round I think that this needs to be done.

The tournaments were still a little crowded and I think that we need to think of some things to get people out of the main room and into the basement lobbies. Also we should try to make CTN stop cutting the broadcast. I would guess that the GT is there most watched program. Why would they cut it?

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why don"t we have 2 seperate tourneys.
For kart we could do battle, co-opand single kart and prize round
for melee stock, time and team stock
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TP2 - Your Root Beer Tapper Example is flawed. I had never heard of root beer tapper before the tournament, but easily got a second seed way ahead of everybody except Duck.

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My root beer tapper isn't flawed. My point is that people who have played it before have an unfair advantage. Duck had played it before and he got first. Also the way I worded my example directly to Duck means that there was no flaw. Leinad I was ahead of everyone who didn't own monkeyball.

If there were games that no one had ever played the surprise round would work perfectly, but because, there aren't the surprise round doesn't work.

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What the, I don't own Monkey Ball I had played it once over 8 months before the tournament for like 20 minutes. The last time I had played Root beer Tapper was over 2 years ago. Eli could get games no one has played by IMPORTING from japan.


Ok,
1. You might notice that I am using the VMC logo. the reason is that I had taken part in creating the name vaccinated monks. I had nothing to do with the logo tho... Another reason is my position in the vaccinated monks next season. Dont forget that I have been having a spot in it DOOMBLAZE!
2. You might've noticed a lack of posts on my accord. Don't think that I haven't been attending this thread. It's one of my home websites. I have been reading all of your conversations daily since my last post. The reason I just havn't posted is because all you guys are doing is flaming and arguing. Almost as much as Mjr. Tom and Black Shark before the 4th round (I will never call you Black Moses ever)
3. Duck, I am creating a badge for you in my spare time. I hope you like it.
4. Also Duck, I love that idea of imported games. I've played many. The most addicive one I have played a weird cooking game called "ori no yori". I think it means "I'm the chef".................Ok, scratch this whole piece of post because its for playstation.
5. I'm listening to Red Hot Chili Peppers' "Love Rollercoaster" right now. Bit torrent it. NOW! You will be glad you did.
6. One last thing. All of you are arguing about what to put in for next season. I have some advice for that. WAIT TILL THE PLANNING MEETING TO ARGUE AND FIGHT! STOP WASTING YOUR TIME AND JUST COME TO THE MEETING!

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Evil Bus Driver I don't know if you know this, but you just negated Duck's comment about imported games. If you have some then chances are that others have them too. (Also mentioning illegal activities you partake in isn't a good idea on a government webpage, but I don't think they'll bust you.)

Duck it doesn't matter that you played 8 months ago. What matters is that you have played it before. Your cousins (or whoever you played it with) probably showed you how to win. All you had to do was watch them for half an hour and you'd have a huge advantage over the rest.

Same with root beer tapper. You had played it before so you knew the secrets and the strategies. I guarantee you that if we play Rise of Nations (which I haven't played in at least 6 months)(assuming you've never played it). I will still destroy you. Why because, if you play a game for more than ten minutes you won't forget the game.

I feel that this is turning into another SFA. Where you and the VMC are arguing for something that favors you without a logical leg to stand on.

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Tp2 i agree with u about the prize round fully, and monkeyman owned mario party (was it 4?) and he owned funzo, me , and whoever else was at his house at playing mostly booksquirm, but some other mini games too. Evil bus driver, calm down, and i have to argue now cuz theres a 5% chance I can come to the meeting. Besides, i was only pointing out that with 6 people, some clans can get horibly overpowered. I just think that our clans just gonna get worse wit 6 people cuz the only people that r gonna join our clan r probobly the noise machine, and the other good clans can and will become alot better then we will be.
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The turtle clan needs more room. Doomblaze you and Monkeyman need to do better recruting. Your clan is very good so it shouldn"t be too hard to recruit 2 people even if you have to go up to random people at the pre season.
Wario ware would be fun in Japanes. E.B.D. this is the warm up for the planning meeting. Lets eli know what the big arguments are. Than at the planning meeting we can throw punches but, that wouldn"t be good becuse i am probally going to be the smallest person there.
sur- prize round doesn"t have to go it just needs diferent games. It needs games that people who own it don"t have an unfair advanatage and if you don"t own it but, have played a game in that genere you will excel. A great example comes to mind they are called shooters. Also vehicle fighters (if you call them that). That i believe is the only genre that wasn"t in the sur-prize round. Seperate tourneys reward people for thier skill in the game they played and not a game they had never played( sur -prize ) This might not be possibile with the gt budget.
finially i like the idea of 6 man top 4 scores because this get rids of the very complex issue of subs. This would allow the turtle clan to have three clans possibily
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is open play going to be set up at the planning meeting
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Why do we have warm up rounds again? Was it to have the people that have never played it before get a feel for it? You just hate the surprise round because you know we will never play shooters or RTS games.

Well I might have bias because I enjoy the unknown and have experienced far more games then the average gamer, but you have just as much bias because it didn't allow you to win every time like the first season. We're right back at the augment of set previously chosen conditions vs. more random conditions. Arguing that random conditions don't allow experts to win because they aren't good at adapting and I'm arguing that adapting is a necessary skill. Frankly given a vote your argument is more popular but good luck selling it to Eli. I don’t really care anymore stupidity is an epidemic that I don’t need to combat at this point in my life. Either way I’ll still win tournaments, I’ll almost certainly win more with your method.

How would we do the grands with your method tp2? Split the prizes so that both events have a DS, shuffle and SP for there prizes I'm sure people will love that. The big problem with your method is that it doesn't have any cross over between the games so there is no need to even have a combine season if they don't affect each other. Eli might not be able to get games before they release but he may be able to import games that weren't released in the US.

What does SFA stand for, I am horrible with acronyms?

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Star fox assualt
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Oh that well what about Bowser arguing that we have academic questions be part of the tournament? That has less of a place in the tournaments then Star Fox.


Hi, Eli, I want to make a wager, if I win 1 out of the 2 Madden Tourneys, u take into consideration about adding Madden to GT. 2 out of 2, u add Madden to GT. I will be visiting around July for a couple of months and I think u should prepare a good welcome to Season 3 to me. Kapish?

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First of all SFA stands for star fox assault.

In the first season (excluding the grands) i won one tournament. In this season I got 3rd in one tournament. I think that those are pretty similar. Quoting you "I enjoy the unknown and have experienced far more games then the average gamer" you admit that you play more games than the average gamer. Which gives you an advantage doesn't it. The 5-10 minute warm up period only lets people know the controls not the strategy. As for my previous comment about you vs. me in EE2 if you had an hour with that game I could still beat you. Why? Because, even if you've played EE1 you still don't know the new strategies.

Duck you don't have a good point stop arguing. That is why I used the SFA acronym because, you kept arguing for SFA even though you didn't have a good point.

Duck if you check your points you'll discover that without the surprise rounds you aren't in the top 5 anymore.

Quoting you again "Either way I’ll still win tournaments, I’ll almost certainly win more with your method." I would like to see evidence of this. Under my system of prizes for each event you would win some from surprise rounds but I'm not going to count that because, surprise rounds are under question right now. It would appear that you might have gotten a third in team in round 4. Nothing in rounds 1 or 3. Maybe a 3rd in team kart in round 2. If there is a record I'm not seeing please tell me because, these facts prove that you barely squeak into the surprise round. With 2 3rd places in team kart I don't think you can argue that you are dominating any thing. I have at least 2 first places in team kart as well as qualifications in other events.

Please don't brag about being the best when you are really just the one who happens to play the most surprise round games. Duck if you take my total score and divide by three (i went to 3 tournaments) then multiply by 4 (there were 4 tournaments) than I score close to twice as much as you. Duck in fact if you take out your 2000 surprise round points you are ranked slightly above Moses. Please don't brag about your accomplishments anymore.

We aren't at the point of arguing against randomness. If you've read anything I say you'll notice that I always say that the surprise round gives people an unfair advantage. The words unfair and advantage aren't usually associated with the word random.

For someone who claims to have low self esteem you certainly hold yourself in high regard.

As for the grands I don't know yet, but right now I would say that we could have the elimination rounds get the top 16 from each event. From those (possibly 32 but most likely) 24 we'll have them play shine melee (in a different variation such as team or time) then the remaining 8 will do mario kart battles to decide the victor. Of course this is just a suggestion.

In conclusion Duck don't bring this up again unless you have a logical point or if you can find someone who didn't win something from the surprise round to support it.

That was a long post. I hope I don't have to do it again.

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Tp2 See our clan uses an interesting concept of not only being with good people but with friends you see so we would not want duck in our clan (We were joking when we invited him and that was before he hit us):(


That is it I'm sick of arguing with someone who doesn't learn. You are such a prick and I can't believe you have friends with such a high and mighty attitude of yours. Do you understand I throw Matches, I mean come on you were in the final match of the 1st season? I don't have a competitive nature and like seeing others win, I have a heart; I was more concerned that my clan did well then myself doing well and after we qualified for the clan cup, in the 2nd round, I didn't really care much anymore until the December finals.

1st season you came to what 3 events and won 2 of them this season you couldn't handle the surprise rounds so you only won money once. Let me see you had 7 times that would have given you money using your system this last season yet you only won once; it seems you have the most to gain by switching the system to a non-surprise game hence your just as BIAS as me if not MORE BIAS. I view the surprise round as the chance for the underdog to snatch victory and not have the same people keep winning over and over again like it would with your system, but it's not like you care for the underdog.


Geese Monkeyman, u sure r a dumbass, u r acting like the old me. I changed now, y cant u? U should eat a huge pile of biosolids from all the farm animals in Israel. U disgust me. U mite be ranked high in points, but u rank the lowest in sportsmanship. U dont have a heart, or a soul, or a brain in any matter at all. I would be surprised if anyone would let u be in their clan next year. I would feel sorry 4 them.
Poll:
Who do u hate more?
Me or Monkeyman
Vote Wisely

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I was looking at the leaderboard and I noticed there is someone named lucky fetus in 8th place. Who is that? It must have been someone who changed their name.


Am I correct in summarizing what you say with the next paragraph?

The reason people have more points than you is because, you purposely lose. You didn't have very many points during the regular season because, you don't care about it and in fact you enjoy watching other's win. You care more about seeing others in your clan win (which didn't happen except for beebles and I've heard once for Tom). I have a bias because, you feel I am greedy and the surprise round stands in the way of my money. You also would rather have someone else win than a player who is known for having more skill.

Basically that is what you said (except with a good deal of malevolence) correct?

Because, if it is hardly any of it makes since. Also you should keep in mind that I came to 3 GT tournaments got a 3rd in one of them (not winning 2 of them). I came to the open melee too and got 4th in that (no money). I went to two tournaments last year before I got any money in the 4th one.

I'm sorry I have to say this, but I think you're lying about certain things. For example, if you enjoy watching others win, why did you win the surprise round in tournament 2? Beating out your fellow clansman which you claim to care more about than your own accomplishments. And don't say because, it was for the money because, the whole tournament was for the money.

I see that you have diverged from the surprise round issue. That is good. You've seen that you are pretty much the only one on that side of the fence and you realize that there aren't very many people in favor of the surprise round. Bad Driver who hasn't won anything isn't in favor of a surprize round so I don't think that it is greed that makes people like surprise rounds.

Imagine this, you are competing at the olympics. You are a world class skier. You get the best time down the slope and think you've won. When all of a sudden the judge says that now there will be a surprise round in order to decide the winner. Fifteen other people who had times worse than yours compete now in curling. Now you have never played curling. You lose the curling matches. You are now upset, but when you complain that it is unfair that a skiing match should be decided by curling people say, "you're just greedy, you can't stand to see the little guy win. You think that just because, you're better at skiing you should win every time."

As rediculous as that sounds. It is the exact same thing.

Duck I don't understand your logic in the beginning of the second paragraph. I don't understand where the number 3 or 7 came from, but I think you know that the system I propose will go back to where we were last year which I felt was pretty random.

Lastly, Duck I know that you're angry, but I would appreciate it if you responded without hate, malice, or profanity.

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Forgetting Ducks and tp2'es squabbling.
I support bigger clans fully. If i had a car i would have a bumber sticker that reads bigger clans fight the man. Actually no i wouldn"t. Anyway clans add a whole nbew prepective it is kind of like how nascar has teams but, when you oout there you are an individual. Watching the Monks in a rebuilding season and the trouble monkeys overcoming attndance and performance issues well the turtle clan deals with overcrowding and skill dat killz deals with under crowding. well the other clans try to prove spoiler. Taht what makes clans so great they are like teams in an individual sport they make the most intense rivialries and make the t.v. audience keep coming back for more. ( ok we dont have a tv audience) Also eli as an intro to season 3 you should do what you did with the grands last year except with clans that would be awesome.
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The round 2 surprise round was before the VM had a reserved seat and I want to score some points, the final round I really held back I mean a lot I only took about half the opportunities to attack the other players and spent most of my time dancing around, the other three people just didn't play very well, I kept waiting for people to put up a fight but it never came and I won practically by default. I barely even attacked beebles in those matches let only I didn’t really attack anyone that much. Also Joe S. was in those matches and I didn't want him to win just because of clan rivalry and I have seen Aaron place in many DDR events so I didn’t feel very guilty fighting those two but would have preferred a real fight from someone not to mention that I would have liked Beebles to have won it. If you look both times I went to the final prize round there was another monk in there for me to support, if Dan and I had to play pong against each other I would have dived so that he could have had a choice in prize.

I don't care for money, from the PSP I have more money then I know how to spend and will most likely give it to my parents so they can get a new TV for a much lower cost.

The 3 I now know is wrong, the first season you came to tournament rounds 2,3,4 and the GC and won the 4th and GC. The 7 refers to the 7 times in season 2 that you qualified and that with your system you would have won prizes for each of those.

It's not a profession tournament TP2 it's only the library and these events are for kids and we are trying to merge two different events into one so using a 3rd non-partial event is more fair then saying we're going to play event 1 because all the people that got in because of event 2 would feel cheated. Now there is one thing I like about your system and that is there are more prizes, even if they are worth less, hence more people can go home with prizes and be happier. That is the only reason I'll come to your side even through I feel it is fracturing the tournaments some.


I can see where you are coming from Duck and I know that this format would help me and I agree with you completely about a third non-partial event, but the surprize round doesn't work.

I suggested earlier that we keep a surprise round, but not for a big prize. Instead we give out a prize for each event including the surprise round. (Single Kart, Team Kart, Single Melee, Team Melee, Surprise)(5) if we can get $25 of funding more each month (or we could take it from finals) we could give $20 to first place in an event and $15 to second. The surprise game would still be there for the "underdogs" as you put it, but it wouldn't decide the winner of the entire tournament.

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Money for each event is like making each event a seperate tourney so if Eli does that you might as well do seperate tourneys.
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If we keep the tournaments together we could give a prize out for the most points earned throughout the day. I know this would push the budget, but we could give 30-25-20 for the most points in the day.

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Eli - I know that we've talked about this briefly before, and I know that you don't like FPSs, but I would like to recommend Metroid Prime 2 again. It's one of the best multiplayer games on the gamecube in my opinion, and it's certainly not your typical FPS. Yes, it's rated Teen, which could be a minor issue, but it's not bloody or gory and you aren't fighting with real guns. If you can get melee through, you can get Prime through as well. Yes, it doesn't support LAN play (sadly), but neither does Melee.

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Leinad MP2 doesn't have good multiplayer. First of all it has auto-aim. Where is the skill in auto-aim? Secondly, according to the back of the box there is animated blood. Lastly, it is a game where someone who has played it before would have an advantage.

I suggest a game from the medal of honor series. It is a pretty normal FPS. There is course advantage, but it is minimal. Because, it is set in WWII it would be a little more educational than any other game we've played. Most important, it is completely clean. No blood, gore, language, etc.

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The animated blood is only in the storyline mode in which you are smashing bugs, the multiplayer is completely blood and gore free. Metal of honor isn't educational in multiplayer I don't you get a huge background (pages of facts) on how this battle was important to the war because no one would play it if you had to read half a text book throughout the game. Plus with no blood, gore or language you don't get a true sense of how it was. I don't think any WWII could be considered educational.


tp2 listen, The tournaments are over. I believe you managed to win one, good job for you, congrats. Now cant you just be happy for Ian that he won a couple. Also, no one cares about you dividing your score and finding out it is better than his.
As Ian had said, once you play a random game for 10 minutes, you almost never forget it. I do have SFA if its of any importance. I do agree that SFA should be a game in the tourney or in the suprise game pool.

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You completely misunderstood what I was saying about my score. After Duck claimed that he was the best, I posted that showing that he wasn't. I didn't post that trying to brag.

Also you have developed a bad habit of negating points in your posts. Saying that you have SFA will only make it less likely to be a surprise round game. Also there was a heated debate about SFA and in the end everyone, but VMC (who owned the game) agreed that there was no advantage whatsoever to playing it.

Duck I would have to say that you have some valid and invalid points. You are right to say that there is very little history in the multiplayer modes of a shooter, but you are wrong to say that about shooters in general. If you play games that pride themselves on historical accuracy you will learn a lot. For example, in the opening sequence of MOH: Pacific Assault you learn the entire background story of Guadalcanal. Furthermore int Conflict Desert Storm you are given the background of the mission before going on it. In BF42 you're given the background in the opening screen. The list goes on and on.

Also when you say that without blood, language, etc you don't get a sense of how bad war is, I get the impression you haven't played CoD2 on veteran. They don't swear and you can turn off blood, but the dialogue and the lighting make the game incredibly intense. I personally believe that blood and language don't have anything to do with a realistic experience. If you've seen the movie Gettysburgh you'll notice that the reality of war is shown without blood or language (I haven't seen it in a while so don't quote me on that.).

If we were to play MOH: Rising Sun (which I own) and we wanted to extract educational content from it. That would be hard because, the MOH console games aren't always following the path of history. Of course neither does MP2.

The advantage I see to a game in the MOH: series is that they are pretty average. (I realize that you might claim a bias in this situation, so I'll say right now that I own Rising Sun and would be the first to suggest Allied Assault). There aren't a whole lot of tactics that aren't in other shooters. There aren't a whole lot of cheap sniping points.

With that being said we should realize that playing a shooter at a tournament isn't going to happen. If there is an interest in playing shooting games I suggest a LAN party. That way the people who come will come knowing that they are going to play a shooter. More importantly I haven't played a single console shooter that is as good as any of the PC shooters I own. PC gives better control, allows for modding, lets you use teamspeak and other VOIP programs, etc. The PC is the platform for hardcore shooter fans and as a result the best shooters are only on the PC (except the rare few that make it to PS2 or Xbox never Gamecube).

Please don't argue with me that console shooters are better than PC without an argument based on fact. (In other words if you want to debate the best platform for shooters don't say console shooters are more fun.)

Finally Eli, would you please tell us if you have any intentions of playing shooters on the gamecube because, if you don't I think that would end this discussion before it gets heated and opinionated.

I would really like to not make so many posts. If people would stop attacking me or saying falsehoods that would be a reality, but as of now I am making 2-5 posts a day. It is interesting that the only people on this blog are VMC, Bad Driver and I.

One last thing. Who here uses firefox. Who here has never heard of firefox. Answering this question will help me figure out how tech savvy this group is.

This post was too long. Please don't read the whole thing. That would be a waste of time. Only read what applies to you.

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Tp2 thank you for telling me not to read it after i read it. Also BF42 is very historicial. I have heard of fire fox not quite sure what it is though
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for the surprize round games we haven't had 10 min to practice.
I never even got to do a full round of root beer tappers in the grand. and we were ahead of scedule.


for the surprize round games we haven't had 10 min to practice.
I never even got to do a full round of root beer tappers in the grand. and we were ahead of scedule.
and I'm for 6 people clans, top 4 scores


This post was too long. Please don't read the whole thing. That would be a waste of time. Only read what applies to you.

I stopped reading your long posts directed at Duck ages ago, same for Ducks posts at you.

Anyways, as Duck pointed out, the animated blood is only in the main game, not in multiplayer. And auto-lock is well compinsated for. It is easy to break auto-lock and also to dodge shots even when you are locked onto if you know how. Yes, there is an advantage to those who have played before. But I'm not suggesting it as a surprise round game. I am definately in favor of changing or eliminating the surprise round next season.

Speaking of which, here's another idea that i don't think has been brought up yet: Announcing the surprise round game a month ahead to time to give people a chance to prepare. The disadvantage to this of course is that it gives people with the money to buy all 5 games for the season a big advantage over those (like me) who buy at most 5 games a year, and would likely not want to buy more than 1 surprise round game because it would take away from my ability to buy games from my favorite genres, veyr few of which have multi-player.

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If it were a perfect world, we would have the games as part of the DVD collection at the library. ^_^


I don't like the idea of announcing surprise round games before they come. First of all I'm opposed to the whole surprise round, but I'm especially opposed to that. (It isn't a surprise if you do that.) With that said, if we did that it would force anyone who wants to stand a chance to spend at least $100 a year and I think we can all agree that no one wants to pay $100 to stand a chance at winning. (Although Eli could probably get quite a kickback from Nintendo.)

I have a question for a librarian. For years the library has offered computer software. Why is it that the library doesn't loan out console games. (Will the library be sued or do they just not want to?)

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ok, I use firefox. Thats how I have 4 home pages in tabs.
BF1942 is my favorite ww2 shooter. I played it at a friends house and eventually bought it.
As said before, multiplayer doesnt give any historical refrence except the guns they used or just anything visual you can pick up by paying close attention.
Tho about swearing, in COD Finest Hour which I have for Gamecube, swearing is heared. No one notices because only the Germans swear and you usually dont catch it.
And lastly, COD Finest Hour for Consoles wouldve been my favorite only if it had a multiplayer. It wouldve brought out much more players to buy it. But alas, only the pc can do that.

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TP2, we are already talking about a circulating videogame collection, which is librarian-speak for 'games you can check out'. If we keep the surprise round at all, I won't be announcing it ahead of time, at least not without changing the name of the event. =)

I don't have any current plans for gamecube shooter tourneys, but I'm not ruling it out for down the road. I do think that LAN parties could really work, though.

Moses, no bet, are you nuts? I have to say that I actually checked to make sure you were really in Israel, after your past performances, I'm sure many others had the same suspicion, and I'm pleased to say that you really are in Israel. I'm glad you'll be attending our Madden tournaments, though, as you're the only regular who actually knows anything about the game. I am not likely to consider including Madden in a tournament with anything else; it just takes too long and is too boring.

There will be open play at the planning meeting.

Anyway, keep the discussion going, at least the civil parts of it. =)


Black Shark it sounds like you are the person to beat at the madden tournament so I'm wondering a few things. First of all, who do you play as? Secondly, (I doubt you'll tell me this) do you run your team's playbook? Do you use their jersey?

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I'm all for 6 person clans top 4. and eli circulating video games would be awsom.
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I think everybody except doomblaze voted for 6 man top 4 score. Correct me if i am wrong. Being able to borrow viedo games from the library would be nice. Eli would the library be able to acquire recent games. Eli r u going to make a new fourum for the madden tourtament. Blogging has slowed down.
historicial accuracey doesn"t matter. no games we have played have anything to do with real life except for warioware and that game was pretty dumb but, greatly entertaining. i think a shooter would add a nice mixture to the sur-prize round
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Happy New Year to everyone. I hope something exciting happens to everyone and that you keep up your resolutions.

You all will find out who I am within a couple of seconds but I did say I was going to change my name. Joe probably knows why I picked this and maybe Noah too. Eli I will get you a koolaid picture so I can attach it to my posts. I will use the trouble monkey logo when the season starts. Also my gtplayer name will remain what it is because in the tournament results my name comes up a lot and I am known by that name to a lot of tournament people.

I was in the grand state of Florida at Disney World and Universal Studios, they were both amazing.
I should have been here to support tp2 and bad driver because I agree with almost all their ideas.
I especially like the prizes for each event. I am saying this because I qualified in a lot of events and some people only qualified in team events and got to take the cash. We could keep the tournament how it is with suprise games and everything but have prizes for event winners and maybe people with most points but those 3 will probably the suprise game winners.

I have many things to say good and bad to many people but I've decided that its a new year so everyone gets a clean slate in my book.
Also bringing back my idea of doing different modes from the 2 games which will stay for a while is also a debatable topic and I want to hear your opinions. But tp2's idea might be better because it keeps the suprise round which some players like such as Duck and gives event winners prizes which people like me and doomblaze will like.

I also want to add a historical note on this comprimise as it relates to the great comprimise(or conneticut comprimise) proposed by roger sherman and its how our goverment operates today. Bad driver and my ideas could be the virginia plan because it favored big states or better players and ducks is like the New Jersey where it gave each state an eqaul number of representatives or in this case each player a good chance. The Virginia Plan was obviously better. And Tp2's would be the great comprimise if you didn't catch that.

As for clans I vote 6. Not because I can have all the best of the best of the best players but because I can include my friends and it will be funner and will be more intense. And for the trouble monkeys Joe and I will be the 2 main members and we are looking for 4 new members but I have an idea of who those are going to be. We might even hold tryouts at an open play if a lot of people are interested but I want to get some people who didn't play GT last year(2005). Although my intention on joining the turtle clan still exists and its in the back of my head right now. So if you want to join the trouble monkey clan give me a holla.

And I think I got 6th in monkeyball because someone pushed me off the target when i had 2 stars. And tp2 I used to play RON and i have it but I'm not good, I tried playing online and I got my butt kicked. Wenbo and I like the greeks and the british.

As for LAN parties the computer fps ones would rock out loud but the people would have to bring the games and install it on the library computers(if they can run half life 2). A consule one would be better becasue people would bring their consule, games, controller etc. and their data would be on their consule or memory cardso theres no need to install or unlock anything. And we can get straight to playing. BF games are awsome I also like call of duty games, the one on the 360 is amazing.

Tp2, I know your statement about pc shooters being better than fps ones is probably true but there are great consule shooters. Especially new ones like PDZ and COD2 and FEAR which I have never heard of but it was the best fps of 2005. The good pc shooters include Halo 1, CS:S, Half life 2, battlefield, and many more. And if we want to decide about LAN parties we have to do it fast because Eli announced the dates of the DDR tournaments last year at the planning meeting so we have a month left to decide before it gets printed in the newsletter. Unless its a blog only one but it wouldnt bring a bunch of people. Eli, give FPS a chance I'm sure you will love it when you play it more often.

Is there a DDR for gamecube that isn't that mario thing?

Well thats all from me. I think this is a long post so you don't have to read the whole thing unless its directed towards you but you might just learn something ;)

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kool aid guy u r not part of the trouble monkeys and u aren't on the leaderborad
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Kool aid guy i am 97% sureu r Sravan but, pr0 is still on the leaderborad so i am guessing u have 2 accounts
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I am sravan and your library account doesnt have to be the same as your GT name. So i changed my library account from pr0 to the koolaid guy but i'm still pr0 on the leaderboard cuz that name has a lot of cred.

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i see. Why did u change it
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i had pr0 cuz galen was c0n and it was kinda cool but pr0 sounds weird now.

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true. But, the kool aid guy isn"t a normal name
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mark this day in history. One full day without a post
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its an inside joke about family guy.

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I don't think it is inside if it was on a nationally aired TV show, but just so you know I will always think of you as Sravan just as I'm sure you'd still think of me as TurtlePerson2 if I changed my name to The Minute-Maid Man (which sounds like an oxy-moron).

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Sravan what do you want us to call you
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Sravan of course. Like on the blog i guess u can call me the koolaid guy but not in person like i call u guys stephen and michael in real life.
gasolina would make a good DDR song. same with listen to your heart
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I think that clans should be able to decide the number of people in thier clan (to a certain extent like 4-6), we would compare scores by the average score for the clan, total divided by # of players in clan. For the championships they can choose which 4 or whatever can go to the champs.


sorry TP2 but that name is taken.


nice.
snowman's idea is pretty good. another great comprimise

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I don't like snowman's idea it makes the 2 extra people useless and doesn't allow the finals to be played full team vs. full team.


6 man clans top 4 count per a tourney. snowmans idea basicially means 4 people because if you have an option you would want less good peole rather than more medicore players
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I can't make it to the meeting so here are my ideas 6 person clans top 4 (you can have less but you need at least 4), drop the surprize round exept in grands and have 2 completely different tornaments 1 for mele and 1 for mario kart. Mele on sunday mario kart on saterday. Have prizes be $40, $30, $20 and 4th place gets a t-shirt, but for the grands combine the tornaments and do a suprize round game for the top clans and for the main tornament but make it a mini game within the main game such as shine theft or giant mode. and this time give them a chanc to practice for at least 10 mins. also for mele always 4 person 2 time 2 stock but for elimination bottom 2 out its faster than the other way.

Total chang of subject but I heard that there is some writing contest at the library but then i heard you don't submit them to the library you turn them in at like 846 Ann Arbor or something weird. Can you varify the short story contest thing Eli?

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Sorry to randomly take whatever it is you guys are talking about off topic, but is there a thread for the Smash only tourney in Feb. yet? It seems a little bit far away, but I must continue the fight for NO ITEMS!


Monkeyman, you make some excellent suggestions, but we won't be spreading it over two days. For one thing, it's too much of a commitment for people who want to be in both events, and also, we usually have tournaments for younger kids the sunday after a GT tournament.

There is indeed a writing contest, you can find out more here. However, it sounds like you're talking about 826 Michigan, but I don't see any contests on their site right now.


The surprise rounds are always very interesting. That mix of anxiousness, with a dash of wanting to strangle your opponents, are always something to look forward to at the end.

Super Smash and Double Dash has life in it. Albeit, that life is something equivalent to a beaten step child -- bastardous, and likely to be connected to a gruesome murder. We have some people there who actually want to play like normal human beings. Then again, we have other morons who blow whistles while playing, among other retarded stuff. You've got to wonder sometimes.

Clan sizing and subbing seems okay for now. Of course, there's the occasional one person or so not showing up, for some ungodly reason.

You guys are structuring the tournaments pretty well. It really does distinguise who's jesus, from someone with the skills equivalent to a gorilla chewing on the controller.

Donkey Konga would seem like an excellent tournament idea. But of course, we would definitely need more controllers. Whoever has a Donkey Konga bongo should really tell us and we'd get a Donkey Konga tourney up. Also, we really should do more DDR tournaments. Maybe even implement a grand championship kinda thing? Hell, we have a lot of people playing DDR at the tourneys. We could swing that.

Now, the prizes you guys give are great, but is there no way these gift cards to Gamestop and other stuff be cash instead? It's not unethical to charge $5 (or whatever) to enter the tournament. Put all the money into a pot and give 50% to first place, 30% to second place, and 20% to third. You could do this for some tourneys. Some would be free, others would be more hardcore and have an entrance fee of, whatever.

Because some would complain they're wasting money paying that $5 to enter a tourney, a good example is a DDR tourney (because I loves the DDR.) Say, 30 people enter and pay $5. We now have $150 in the pot. Now say we're going to make them all play a qualifying round to get the top 16 and only take the top 16. Well, for the 17-30 ranked players, they didn't make the cut and do not get to play. We give the players who didn't make the qualifying cut their $5 back and remind them they're failures at life. So that leaves the pot with $80. That's pretty good. It's almost on par with the $90 we get in gift cards from Gamestop. We'd give $35 to first place, $25 to second place, and $20 to third place. Good eh?


I don"t think the libary could get away with charging for touurneys though that would increase prize money. I won't be attending the madden tourney.90% sure attending planning meeting
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rupert whens the smash only tourney?

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Err... Feb 24 or Feb 25... not sure. Somewhere around there. I want 40 dollars so no items would be quite nice. Except maybe for FFAs, where the crazyness should be great.


Whoa smash only tourneys can i have a little more info
also eli can we have a kart only tourney

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Rupert who are you? I hope you aren't that guy who challanged everyone you lost against to a rematch and then lost at open play. Items are in the game for a reason. They add a certain degree of randomness. One which the tournament organizers are interested in keeping. On this blog we've already discussed items and after quite a bit of heated debate we decided to keep them.

Just so everyone knows the new schedule is out.

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o tp2 he's not nikolia, the nintendo freak(and geek). he sucks cuz he's the "tool of nintendo" and he thinks hes better than everyone. rupert is a better ssbm player than him. i shall attend this smash only tournament. yea give us more info i couldnt find it on the site.
i would prefer no items but i don't mind playing with them.
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I am willing to try no items at one of our smash only tournaments. I still think it's lame, but there are a lot of people who like it when weaker opponents don't have a chance, and we shouldn't deny that. Seeing that most professional SSB tourneys have no items made me waver. I think we could probably comprimise on banning some of the 'cheaper' items.

We won't charge admission, that's not what a library is about. We're pursuing ever better prize budgets, though, and I'll consider cash prizes.

Friday, 2/24, is the next Super Smash for 13+, 6 PM.


Eli smash needs items. Even though items do add less skill they also add more skill in ur ability to use items and avvoid items. Also when u say 13+ does that mean i can"t come. Why doesn"t the library do grade not age. btw can we have a new thread

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Bad driver items also raise your skill at item cacthing.
I don't like items in fact i hate them, but at least it gives the normally helpless people at ssbm at bit more of a chance.

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If the turnament didn't have items the same people woulld win every time and the matches would be boring.


Please don't make them cash prizes. Because they are gift certificates I have to spend them. Otherwise I think I would average one new game a year. I could see the arguments for cash prizes, but I think that you should negociate with GameStop to try to get a better rate (because, you are buying in bulk and because, they could get a tax break I think). I know that my argument is pretty much just for me and Bad Driver, but I think that there are other people like us.

In regard to items I would have to say that I am better without them, but I am opposed to removing them from competition. They really don't affect the match much, but as Vallastar said there is actually more skill with items. You must learn strategies for more situations. Before anyone rebuttles this know that I have played both sides (items and no items) and I enjoy playing items better, but win more with no items. Eli I think that even with items a level 8 computer would almost always lose to a level 9.

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I have emailed eli on this to ask him if I can have my friend bring his NES to play on the projector screen. He has Duck Hunt and so I was wondering if I could start an unofficial duck hunt tourney.

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d-rex we want the better people to win because they deserve the money more than the n00bs. thats how tournaments are supposed to be, the best person winning. there is still a luck factor about the stages but some stages we might want to ban for 1v1 matches like hyrule and yoshi n64. i prefer no items but i can play with them. yea chiokee's right there is skill in item catching just yesterday i caught a capsule my friend threw at me.

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